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[12:06:36] <jariarkko> did we have a jabber scribe?
[12:06:54] <behcet.sarikaya> Yes I am the scribe
[12:06:57] <chanwah.ng> I think it's bechet?
[12:07:10] <jariarkko> thanks bechet.
[12:07:14] <behcet.sarikaya> Now chair is introducing WG status slide
[12:07:27] <jariarkko> jonne is on jabber -- please transmit his comments to mike, if needed
[12:07:53] <behcet.sarikaya> sure
[12:08:12] <behcet.sarikaya> agenda slide
[12:09:04] <behcet.sarikaya> raj on micro
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[12:09:45] <behcet.sarikaya> Raj says we should discuss his RS/RA draft
[12:10:07] <behcet.sarikaya> Vidya agenda full
[12:10:42] <behcet.sarikaya> VN: let's discuss first on mailing list
[12:11:12] <behcet.sarikaya> Sri presenting IPv4 support draft
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[12:11:59] <chanwah.ng> changes from -03 version
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[12:12:38] <behcet.sarikaya> Sorry I got disconnected
[12:13:46] <behcet.sarikaya> now allow multiple IPv4 home addresses
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[12:14:31] <behcet.sarikaya> Raj on micro
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[12:16:41] <behcet.sarikaya> sorry I got disconnected again
[12:16:53] <behcet.sarikaya> appreciate if someoneelse could help
[12:17:05] <chanwah.ng> I will step in when you disconnect
[12:17:19] <behcet.sarikaya> Thanks Chan-Wah
[12:18:34] <behcet.sarikaya> ahmad on micro
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[12:19:26] <behcet.sarikaya> we dont need to have multiple IPv4 home addresses
[12:19:50] <behcet.sarikaya> sri: should we disallow?
[12:20:26] <josoinin> Ask a WG participant (not chair): I agree with Rajeeve, we shouldn't block it, but not necessarily do extra work for this.
[12:20:46] <josoinin> (I agree with Jari)
[12:21:00] <behcet.sarikaya> Jari: it does n't seem to be a requirement to have multiple IPv4 HoAs
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[12:21:42] <chanwah.ng> Sri: IPv4 transport issue
[12:22:12] <chanwah.ng> Ahmad: usecase for NAT behind MAG?
[12:22:26] <chanwah.ng> Sri: We do not have assumptions on how network are design
[12:22:49] <chanwah.ng> Sri: this is also discussed in the WG
[12:22:54] <chanwah.ng> ML
[12:23:37] <chanwah.ng> Suresh on mic
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[12:24:46] <chanwah.ng> Ahmad and Sri discussing on use case for IPv4
[12:26:20] <chanwah.ng> Next slide on Configuration Flag
[12:27:07] <chanwah.ng> Ryuji on DHCP COnfiguration slide
[12:28:10] <chanwah.ng> Vidya: How many pple have read the draft?  Not too many
[12:28:54] <chanwah.ng> Next slide: <DHCP-S Virtual ID>
[12:29:50] <chanwah.ng> <Address Renewing>
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[12:30:48] <chanwah.ng> <DHCP-R is at MAG>
[12:31:26] <chanwah.ng> <Address Renewing>
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[12:32:48] <chanwah.ng> Behcet: welcome back, try using ietf-a instead ... more stable.
[12:33:06] <chanwah.ng> Julien on mic
[12:35:05] <chanwah.ng> George on mic
[12:35:54] <chanwah.ng> AVi on mic
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[12:36:31] <weiyx> how to secure relay model, has to be address
[12:37:19] <chanwah.ng> Vijay: why not DHCP on the MAG
[12:37:53] <chanwah.ng> Suresh: this is deployment arch, should not be on the draft
[12:38:46] <chanwah.ng> Jari: if requirement document specify it
[12:39:16] <chanwah.ng> Vijay on mic
[12:39:42] <chanwah.ng> Avi on mic
[12:40:14] <chanwah.ng> Hesham: why is this listed as an option?
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[12:41:03] <josoinin> Chair hat on: We can decide otherwise if we have a good reason to do so.
[12:42:04] <chanwah.ng> Sorry, did n't have the chance to relay your msg.
[12:42:17] <behcet.sarikaya> Chan-Wah please continue as my connection is unstable
[12:42:25] <chanwah.ng> Next Presentation:
[12:42:40] <chanwah.ng> behcet: no. please use ietf-a instead
[12:42:56] <behcet.sarikaya> netlmm@jabber.ietf.org is not good?
[12:43:11] <chanwah.ng> I refer to your your ESSID.
[12:45:39] <chanwah.ng> Vidya: asking if this is still a useful document?
[12:45:50] <chanwah.ng> less than 10 agree
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[12:45:56] <josoinin> Jonne: Not raising my hand.
[12:46:22] <chanwah.ng> Julien on mic
[12:47:52] <chanwah.ng> Vidya: how many people would object if this document went away
[12:47:58] <josoinin> Raising my hand.
[12:48:19] <chanwah.ng> Jonnie, You would object?
[12:48:37] <josoinin> I'm not objecting taking the doc away.
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[12:48:44] <josoinin> I would support it.
[12:48:48] <chanwah.ng> Ok, I tot so.
[12:49:50] <chanwah.ng> Next presentation: PMIP6-MIP6 Interactions by Vijay
[12:50:54] <chanwah.ng> Slide: <Scenario C>
[12:51:31] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Handover Call Flow>
[12:52:53] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Scenario C>
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[12:53:16] <chanwah.ng> SLide: <Open Issue: Race Condition>
[12:54:13] <chanwah.ng> Slide: <solution for avoiding Race>
[12:54:59] <chanwah.ng> Slide: <Scenario 1>
[12:55:52] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Scenario 2>
[12:56:24] <chanwah.ng> George on <PMIP6 -MIP6 interactions>
[12:57:09] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Scenario A>
[12:57:55] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Scenario A+>
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[12:58:48] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Scenario C>
[12:59:41] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Scenario C (at home)>
[13:00:21] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Implementation (Non)Issue>
[13:01:52] <chanwah.ng> Alper on mic
[13:02:28] <chanwah.ng> Hesham on mic
[13:02:58] <chanwah.ng> Hesham: we spend too much time on Scenario C without justification
[13:03:49] <chanwah.ng> Basavaraj: on mic: split BC -- what does it solves?
[13:05:23] <chanwah.ng> Suresh: keep them separate solves the race
[13:06:18] <chanwah.ng> Vijay: responding Scenario C already has consensus
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[13:12:14] <behcet.sarikaya> chan-wah my connection is unstable please continue I could not get to ietf-a
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[13:12:32] <chanwah.ng> You owe me 10 beer
[13:15:37] <chanwah.ng> Suresh: if it is implementation issue, leave it out of the draft
[13:15:58] <chanwah.ng> Vijay: some folks insist that a solution has to be found 1.5 years ago
[13:17:14] <chanwah.ng> Vidya: it is important to talk abt implementation issue
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[13:23:02] <chanwah.ng> Jari: If there are implementation that caused issue, we don't have to support them
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[13:24:14] <chanwah.ng> Vidya: take the discussion to the list
[13:24:56] <chanwah.ng> Vidya: how many people think there should be 2 BCE?
[13:24:58] <chanwah.ng> 15
[13:25:19] <chanwah.ng> WHo think there should be 1? 4
[13:25:29] <josoinin> Jonne: I think this an implementation detail and we should move on.
[13:25:46] <chanwah.ng> Taking it to the list
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[13:26:26] <chanwah.ng> Nest: Ahmad on GRE Key Option
[13:26:30] <chanwah.ng> Next
[13:26:51] <chanwah.ng> Slide <GRE Key Option for PMIP6>
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[13:27:20] <chanwah.ng> Slide <ML Discussion: GRE Encapsulation & Sym Keys>
[13:29:08] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Forward & Reverse Traffic>
[13:30:05] <chanwah.ng> Slide <MAG does not support GRE Encap>
[13:32:13] <chanwah.ng> Vijay: there should be default instead of discarding
[13:33:28] <chanwah.ng> Sri on mic
[13:34:12] <chanwah.ng> Julien on mic
[13:34:52] <chanwah.ng> Behcet: what abt alternative approach
[13:35:53] <chanwah.ng> Vidya: how many people wants to adopt draft as WG doc
[13:35:55] <josoinin> Jonne: I do.
[13:36:16] <chanwah.ng> Most people do, will confirm on the list
[13:36:56] <chanwah.ng> Next Presentation <Radius>
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[13:38:35] <chanwah.ng> John(?): why is it on MAG instead of LMA
[13:39:42] <chanwah.ng> Julien: you are using existing MIP6 HA attribute, how abt using another one?
[13:40:07] <chanwah.ng> Next Presentation: <LMA Discovery>
[13:40:29] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Configuration on MAG>
[13:41:27] <chanwah.ng> Slide <DNS Lookup>
[13:42:08] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Integrated Scenario>
[13:42:15] <chanwah.ng> Mic drop
[13:42:28] <chanwah.ng> Everybody in the room wakes up :)
[13:43:06] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Based on Service Selection>
[13:43:41] <chanwah.ng> Slide <Handovers>
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[13:44:59] <chanwah.ng> Sri: is everything specified?
[13:45:11] <chanwah.ng> Vijay: we need to write the document
[13:45:49] <chanwah.ng> Alper: don't you think DNS is not suitable?
[13:46:07] <chanwah.ng> Vijay: it's should be ok if you look up once and cache it
[13:46:41] <chanwah.ng> Rajeev: different solutions is more suitable for different scenario
[13:47:36] <chanwah.ng> Basavaraj: handover need to be considered ... how target MAG can get address of LMA
[13:48:14] <chanwah.ng> Glenn on next presentation (didn't catch the title, sorry)
[13:48:28] <chanwah.ng> Slide: <Purpose>
[13:48:39] <behcet.sarikaya> it's about MIB for PMIP
[13:49:09] <chanwah.ng> Slide <structure of PMIP-MIB>
[13:52:31] <chanwah.ng> Vidya: has anybody read the draft?  None
[13:53:18] <chanwah.ng> Hannes on mic
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[13:54:33] <chanwah.ng> Vidya: wrap up, last item is skipped
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[13:56:48] <chanwah.ng> That's all, folks!
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