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[13:06:44]  everyone in the jabber room is in fact in the physical room ;)
[13:06:52]  (or not?)
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[13:07:39]  I am. :-)
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[13:08:39]  Agenda on http://tools.ietf.org/wg/netconf/agenda
[13:11:01]  Reverse Secure Shell (Reverse SSH) - K. Watsen 
[13:11:03]  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-reverse-ssh
[13:11:40]  slide 2
[13:12:20]  slide 3
[13:12:29]  slide 4 sorry
[13:13:27]  slide 5
[13:13:36]  slide 6
[13:14:59]  question on the mic. (no name)
[13:15:20]  back to slide 4
[13:15:28]  sldie 7
[13:15:51]  slide 8
[13:16:02]  slide 9
[13:16:20]  slide 10
[13:16:23]  question?
[13:16:54]  wg chair thinks is ready for wg last call
[13:17:16]  last call extended to three weeks
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[13:17:42]  NETCONF Over TLS update - RFC 5539bis - J.  Schoenwaelder
[13:17:52]  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-rfc5539bis
[13:17:56]  slide 2
[13:18:25]  questions?
[13:19:04]  wg chair thinks this is also ready for last call
[13:19:28]  jurgen want to make some changes. thus end of this mont last call
[13:19:47]  A YANG Data Model for NETCONF Server Configuration - K. Watsen
[13:19:56]  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kwatsen-netconf-server
[13:19:59]  slide 2
[13:20:01]  slide 3
[13:20:59]  slide 4
[13:25:34]  slide 5
[13:26:07]  slide 6
[13:27:35]  slide 7
[13:29:03]  slide 8
[13:31:14]  slide 9
[13:31:18]  slide 10
[13:31:41]  slide 11
[13:34:00]  bert wijnen: protocol vulnerabilities should also be in document
[13:34:07]  sldie 17
[13:34:36]  on the mic: andy
[13:35:02]  multipe ports should be supported
[13:35:15]  martin on the mic
[13:35:22]  some comment
[13:35:59]  some=same comment on port numbers
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[13:36:45]  wg chair: more work should be done on this (the port numbers)
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[13:37:23]  question?
[13:37:28]  martin on mic
[13:37:44]  what kind of keep alive? tcp?
[13:38:30]  ssh has its own parameters. for tls something similar
[13:38:40]  martin: has this been standardised?
[13:39:27]  martin: it has to been specified.
[13:39:39]  answer: maybe specified per transport
[13:40:35]  jurgen mentions an rfc 
[13:41:15]  question on mic (missed name)
[13:42:14]  Balázs Lengyel -- Ericsson
[13:42:36]  mikael abrahamson on the mic
[13:42:46]  can thsi be solved with tcp keep alives?
[13:43:12]  downside is keepalives are outside the encrypted channel.
[13:43:26]  could be denial of service
[13:45:46]  martin on the mic; are persitent connections a good use-case?
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[13:46:13]  answer: means zero delay if latency is important
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[13:49:02]  final remark: persisten connectsion seem to have a good use.
[13:49:37]  next presentation
[13:49:39]  RESTCONF Protocol - A. Bierman 
[13:49:54]  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-restconf
[13:49:56]  slide 2
[13:50:07]  slide 3
[13:50:38]  question do we need a message id?
[13:50:42]  (from andy)
[13:50:46]  martin on the mic
[13:51:03]  useful for trouble shooting.
[13:51:07]  or in audit log
[13:51:51]  or for async messages
[13:52:55]  wes hardaker: only if you have use case that cannot do without
[13:53:41]  andy: needs more discussion on the mailing list
[13:53:47]  sldie 4
[13:54:39]  martin on mic: prefers one format
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[13:55:57]  question from wg chair: other experineces with Xpath in netconf?
[13:56:30]  slide 5
[13:57:51]  kent on mic: everything passes
[13:57:59]  slide 6
[13:58:05]  slide 7
[13:59:51]  dan bogdan on the mic: prefers single data store
[14:00:48]  andy agrees
[14:07:02]  need more work on this topic
[14:07:06]  slide 8
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[14:09:39]  martin on the mic: hear from http people for solution for opts
[14:09:39]  slide 9
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[14:10:47]  kent on the mic: explain use fo version strings
[14:10:55]  slide 10
[14:15:00]  sldie 11
[14:16:05]  slide 12
[14:16:31]  slide 13
[14:18:31]  slide 14
[14:20:02]  bogdan on the mic: rename sessions to streams
[14:20:13]  slide 15
[14:23:45]  YANG Patch Media Type - A. Bierman
[14:23:47]  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-yang-patch
[14:23:54]  sldie 2
[14:24:07]  slide 4
[14:25:34]  question on the mic: suggest that discussion on the mailing list are also inlcuded in the WG meeting
[14:26:33]  slide 5
[14:27:47]  slide 6
[14:29:36]  slide 7
[14:31:26]  slide 9
[14:32:40]  bogdan: what is the different between delete and remove?
[14:32:56]  delete fails if object was not there, remove does not care
[14:33:45]  kent: one of them can be removed, as there is a test if-match
[14:35:03]  slide 10
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[14:37:34]  slide 11
[14:37:54]  martin on mci: why is leaf location needed?
[14:38:18]  andy: to be consistent with http?
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[14:40:21]  wg chari: resubmit draft with -ietf-, and include comments
[14:40:32]  Zero Touch Provisioning for NETCONF Call Home (ZeroTouch) - K. Watsen
[14:40:43]  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kwatsen-netconf-zerotouch
[14:40:47]  slide 4
[14:41:24]  slide 5
[14:42:51]  slide 6
[14:45:38]  slide 7
[14:54:54]  slide 8
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[14:59:12]  sldie 13
[14:59:20]  slide 14
[14:59:34]  slide 16
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[15:00:15]  slide 18
[15:00:48]  wg chair: take a look at the sldies, and ask questions on the mailing list.
[15:01:15]  wg chair: closing the wg session
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