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[16:05:45] cjbernardos joins the room [16:05:50] WG status [16:06:19] zunigajc joins the room [16:07:14] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/multimob-1.ppt [16:07:20] Presentation by Thomas [16:07:27] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/multimob-7.ppt [16:08:05] slide 2 [16:08:35] gorryf leaves the room [16:09:23] Slide 3 [16:09:30] Slide 4 [16:11:04] HUI joins the room [16:12:16] Slide 5 [16:12:24] 6 [16:13:27] 7 [16:13:46] question in the mike about slide 5 [16:14:15] 2nd question (slide 6) [16:15:25] Jari's question [16:16:41] Slide 7 [16:17:28] gorryf joins the room [16:18:25] Raj's question [16:19:57] Stig's question [16:20:49] slide 8 [16:21:13] Sri's question [16:21:34] about MAG-to-MAG interface, context transfer [16:21:40] Thomas: no context transfer [16:21:59] quesiton about how fast is the query [16:23:37] Thomas resumes presenting slide 8 [16:24:43] Stig's question [16:25:21] Hitoshi question [16:26:03] Hitoshi: up to 25 seconds to wait until the query is sent, so we may need to change that value [16:26:34] Thomas: our experiments show that the queries come immediately in many implementations [16:26:50] Thomas resumes presenting slide 8 [16:27:40] Slide 9 [16:28:16] amuhanna joins the room [16:28:19] Stig's question: two separate instances for MLD and IGMP [16:28:53] Slides 10 [16:31:00] Behcet question: what about p2p links? [16:31:09] Tomas: no problem with p2p links [16:31:20] Thomas, slide 11 [16:32:00] Sri's question: how do the MAG diferenciate local services from mobile node services? [16:32:16] Thomas: unicast not touched, local multicast routing not supported [16:32:47] Sri: it should be some way of differentiating local services from home network services [16:33:39] Raj: if you have multicast groups directly available at the MAG, not from the LMA... [16:33:51] Thomas: you could do it, proposed by others [16:34:18] Thomas: the MAG could have had an interface to the local network, it could be done, issue for further discussion [16:34:56] Stig: no big deal, use a different proxy instance, but of you want to get some groups from the LMA and some local, then this needs some intelligence [16:35:52] Hitoshi: MLD proxy model simplifies solution, but problems with local multicast traffic [16:36:34] Thomas resumes slide 11 [16:36:48] Hitoshi: question about multihoming [16:37:13] Thomas: we want to be consistant with pmipv6 spec, there's a section about multihoming [16:37:29] Raj: i don't necessarily see there nothing needed to be done [16:37:40] Raj: there should be no impact [16:38:14] Sue Hares: satus of the linux implementation and how much test you've done? [16:38:45] Thomas: tested general mld and mld proxy with respect of the protocol requirements, we don't have in the lab the whole pmipv6 [16:40:54] HUI leaves the room [16:41:59] Thomas: are there more issues (question to the WG)? [16:43:02] Behcet: tunnel convergence question [16:45:13] Hitoshi: several MLD daemons must be launched, once per uplink interface [16:45:38] Stig: several instances, you might receive multiple copies, since there are no interactions between the LMAs [16:46:09] Stig: if someone wants to implement some optimizations, that'd be fine and should be in the draft [16:47:29] JC Zúñiga: baseline: best performance we can obtain without touching the specs [16:48:02] Stig: planning to to WGLC before next IETF [16:48:30] Stig: if you feel that there are issues that require more work, please state so either now or on the mailing list [16:48:56] Special presentation about mobility cancelled [16:49:56] Raj: Behcet asked me about things the WG could work on about optimizations with multicast and pmipv6, better to finish the work currently charter, it's valuable [16:50:10] Hitoshi presentation [16:50:17] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/multimob-6.ppt [16:50:19] slide 2 [16:51:55] Slide 3 [16:57:00] Slide 4 [16:58:12] tomine joins the room [17:00:10] Qin Wu's question [17:03:24] Gorry's question [17:04:50] slide 5 [17:05:53] Stig's question [17:08:25] discussion in the mike... [17:08:25] zunigajc leaves the room [17:09:02] zunigajc joins the room [17:09:12] Akbar: usuful contribution, do you plan to do any simulation? [17:10:10] Hitoshi resumes presenting slide 5 [17:10:48] Qin Wu's question [17:11:02] Qin Wu: is wireless specific? [17:11:06] Hidetoshi: no [17:13:51] Slide 6 [17:16:20] Qin Wu: you lack experimental results [17:18:37] Thomas: evaluation of the different properties of links missing [17:19:08] Sig: brief section listing the timers, but it's good to discuss different link types or scenarios [17:19:27] Slide 7 [17:21:41] Gorry: nothing useful in the draft [17:22:29] Qin Wu presentation [17:22:40] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/multimob-2.ppt [17:22:56] Slide 2 [17:27:47] Slide 3 [17:31:05] Slide 4 [17:33:16] Slide 5 [17:33:18] Slide 6 [17:38:54] Slide 7 [17:41:47] Slide 8 [17:43:25] Slide 9 [17:46:18] Slide 10 [17:46:27] Slide 11 [17:47:31] Slide 12 [17:51:51] Slide 13 [17:52:27] Behcet: we have to decide what to do, we have two drafts for the same charter item [17:52:48] Bhecet: not yet ready to accept any of them [17:52:59] Behcet: prepare a new version [17:54:31] Akbar's presentation [17:54:37] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/multimob-5.ppt [17:54:59] Slide 1 [17:55:01] Slide 2 [17:56:33] Hitoshi: protocol modification? [17:56:36] Akbar: yes [17:57:18] Stig: rest of the meeting is devoted for future topics [17:57:30] Behcet: there's IPR on this draft [17:57:42] Slide 3 [18:00:02] Raj: why call dedicate LMA at all if there is no PMIPv6 state at all? [18:00:14] Rajeev, not Raj [18:00:36] tony joins the room [18:00:38] Rajeev: even if there is PMIPv6 state, why do not co-locate this with the LMA? [18:00:52] Akbar: main benefit: minimization of traffic replication [18:01:02] Rajeev: but this comes at a cost, right? [18:01:09] Akbar: yes, it is not classical PMIPv6 [18:01:40] JC Zúñiga: blurry concept, there's no per-MN state, but there is multicast mobility state [18:01:49] Slide 4 [18:03:02] Slide 5 [18:04:23] Slide 6 [18:04:33] Slide 8 [18:05:30] Slide 6 again [18:06:23] Slide 7 [18:07:43] Slide 9 [18:08:15] Slide 10 [18:11:29] Thoma's presentation [18:11:34] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/multimob-8.ppt [18:11:49] Slide 2 [18:13:24] Slide 3 [18:14:47] Slide 4 [18:15:17] Slide 5 [18:16:16] Slide 6 [18:16:22] Slide 7 [18:17:29] Slide 8 [18:18:03] Slide 9 [18:18:11] Slide 8 [18:18:18] (sorry) [18:19:01] Hui's presentation [18:19:09] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/multimob-3.ppt [18:19:30] Slide 2 [18:20:12] Slide 3 [18:20:43] Slide 5 [18:21:46] Slide 6 [18:23:25] Pierrick presentation [18:23:27] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/10mar/slides/multimob-4.pdf [18:23:45] Slide 2 [18:25:43] Slide 3 [18:27:30] Slide 4 [18:28:27] Slide 5 [18:30:15] Slide 6 [18:30:59] gorryf leaves the room [18:32:41] The meeting ends [18:32:44] cjbernardos leaves the room [18:33:35] zunigajc leaves the room [18:33:49] tomine leaves the room [18:36:57] gorryf joins the room [18:37:38] behcet.sarikaya leaves the room [18:37:44] gorryf leaves the room [18:53:32] gorryf joins the room [18:53:39] gorryf leaves the room [18:53:43] gorryf joins the room [20:01:38] gorryf leaves the room [20:06:35] gorryf joins the room [20:06:39] gorryf leaves the room [20:06:48] gorryf joins the room [20:10:47] tony leaves the room [21:02:14] gorryf leaves the room [21:06:59] gorryf joins the room [21:07:14] gorryf leaves the room [22:14:07] gorryf joins the room [22:14:15] gorryf leaves the room [22:14:17] gorryf joins the room [23:03:15] gorryf leaves the room