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Sean Turner has set the subject to: IETF 96 MTGVENUE WG
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[00:34:25] <LouBerger> Dave C presenting
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[00:35:02] <LouBerger> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/97/slides/slides-97-mtgvenue-meeting-venue-selection-process-01.pptx
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[00:41:28] <danyork> Alissa Cooper at mic
[00:41:34] <danyork> Barry Leiba at mic
[00:41:51] <danyork> (helping out because Jabber relay LouBerger is in line next to speak)
[00:42:10] <danyork> LouBerger at mic
[00:43:13] <danyork> Alissa Cooper at mic
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[00:46:46] <danyork> ? at mic
[00:46:53] <LouBerger> Andrew ?? at mic
[00:47:58] <Andrew Sullivan> Dolganow is the spelling on the badge
[00:48:06] <LouBerger> Andrew Dolganow
[00:49:29] <LouBerger> Jason Livingood
[00:51:12] <Andrew Sullivan> surely not just wheelchairs.  I note the excellent provisions for low-vision people in this city and venue.
[00:54:42] <LouBerger> <note: not channeled as Andrew sitting nxt to mic>
[00:55:06] <Barry Leiba> …and he didn't say "mic".
[00:55:11] <Andrew Sullivan> yes
[00:55:38] <LouBerger> There are different jabber conventions
[00:57:21] <LouBerger> humm results: lots for okay, none for having an issue
[00:57:45] <Andrew Sullivan> Note that there wasn't a question of whether it was not adequate but does not need more work
[00:57:57] <Andrew Sullivan> that is, I think it's overspecification but it's a generic problem with the document
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[00:58:55] <LouBerger> so its over specified, but you want ordering?
[00:59:50] <LouBerger> BTW I'm fine with ordering
[01:01:14] <LouBerger> Andrew Dolganow
[01:01:26] <LouBerger> <missed prior speaker>
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[01:10:24] <LouBerger> Alissa C
[01:10:32] <Andrew Sullivan> not yet :)
[01:10:38] <Andrew Sullivan> Still Leslie
[01:11:05] <LouBerger> was
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[01:15:02] <LouBerger> Tobias Gondrom
[01:15:56] <LouBerger> Marry B.
[01:16:59] <LouBerger> ???
[01:17:12] <LouBerger> Niels?
[01:17:17] <Barry Leiba> Niels ten Over
[01:17:31] <Barry Leiba> (I might have that spelt wrong)
[01:17:31] <LouBerger> thnaks
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[01:21:40] <LouBerger> hum: <use 2119 language> no
[01:22:36] <Andrew Sullivan> "tradeoff" is helpful to this community and not to others, is I take Jim's point
[01:22:58] <Andrew Sullivan> I really do object to this entire procedure, however
[01:22:59] <LouBerger> Mike Biship
[01:23:13] <Andrew Sullivan> because this isn't addressing the fundamental point that Alissa and I both made
[01:23:53] <Andrew Sullivan> there are too many things here, and the categories are a proposal to address that approach
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[01:37:31] <LouBerger> no one likes 4 categories
[01:37:44] <LouBerger> just a few for 2
[01:37:45] <Melinda> or rather, nobody present likes 4 categories
[01:38:11] <LouBerger> <melinda - can you document chair's read on the hums>
[01:38:38] <Melinda> Will do, noting that this needs to go to the mailing list anyway
[01:38:45] <LouBerger> of course
[01:38:46] <Andrew Sullivan> My view is that the "mandatory" category is not actually meaningful
[01:38:59] <LouBerger> why?
[01:39:36] <Melinda> preference for three categories, nothing conclusive on ranking (hum results)
[01:40:24] <Andrew Sullivan> because they're either meaningless, trivially true, or actually trades carefully written to obscure the trades
[01:40:29] <Andrew Sullivan> "The Meeting Space is adequate in size and layout to accommodate
      the meeting and foster participant interaction."
[01:40:39] <LouBerger> fair enough
[01:40:47] <LouBerger> (for that one)
[01:40:52] <Andrew Sullivan> that just says that it's a very high priority that there be enough room, for instance
[01:40:56] <LouBerger> unfiltered internet?
[01:41:25] <Andrew Sullivan> and we're going to trade more or less cramped conditions.  As we did at this meeting, for instance, which is why the timetable was hard
[01:41:39] <Andrew Sullivan> "unfiltered" is similarly actually a range.
[01:41:51] <Andrew Sullivan> "$country during coup" is not allowed
[01:42:02] <LouBerger> filtered is a range...
[01:42:26] <Andrew Sullivan> but we're going to London, and nobody seems to object, but the Interner in that country indisputably has some filters
[01:42:36] <LouBerger> earthquakes and such are a different case
[01:43:03] <Andrew Sullivan> but "government shuts down Internet connectivity" is not an earthquake
[01:43:14] <LouBerger> re london - excellent point
[01:43:14] <Andrew Sullivan> it's just a political temor
[01:43:14] <Andrew Sullivan> tremor
[01:43:27] <Andrew Sullivan> we _do_ make trade offs in all the mandatory categories
[01:44:03] <LouBerger> we have all sorts of force majeure considerations
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