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Discussions at the end [15:13:20] Phil presenting [15:13:28] slide: Background [15:14:25] mab joins the room [15:14:54] slide: corridor meeting [15:15:45] slide: corridor meeting - conclusions [15:17:34] PPT: Costin on measurements [15:17:46] slide: Test network setup [15:18:14] slide: range of tested devices [15:18:24] slide: tests & output [15:18:52] thomas.dreibholz joins the room [15:19:24] Zhen Tsao joins the room [15:19:29] mccap joins the room [15:19:38] Ilitch at the mic [15:20:09] Javier Ubillos leaves the room [15:20:15] Joe touch at the mic [15:20:15] danwing joins the room [15:20:59] gorryf joins the room [15:21:09] Arnd Hannemann joins the room [15:21:46] PPT: Michio Middlebox investigation [15:21:59] slide: Introduction [15:22:23] slide: Middlebox behavior we concern [15:23:02] slide: experimental setup [15:24:07] slide: syn option experiment [15:24:40] slide: data option experiment [15:25:19] slide: retransmission experiment [15:25:54] slide: sequence hole experiment [15:26:26] slide: the other experiment [15:26:48] slide: conclusion [15:27:19] PPT: Micheal - Option vs Payload encoding [15:28:01] slide: general thoughts on opt and payload enc [15:28:43] slide: requirements and constraints [15:30:04] slide: message sequence chart [15:31:27] slide: advantages of payload encoding:robustness [15:31:27] thomas.dreibholz leaves the room [15:32:50] slide: further advantages [15:34:10] slide: drawbacks [15:35:07] slide: thoughts on ack and flow-control [15:36:19] slide: summary [15:36:28] Javier Ubillos joins the room [15:38:52] back to slide message sequence chart to answer to ilitch [15:42:45] thomas.dreibholz joins the room [15:43:07] ppt: COstin - options or payload [15:43:12] Lars joins the room [15:43:35] slide: outline [15:44:25] slide: we need explicit data acks [15:44:31] for dccp, a few years ago someone fed the protocol design to a finite state machine checker and actually found some lurking bugs. wonder if this could be done here to settle if there are issues. [15:46:18] AFAIK yes, just give the specs to people from formal systems [15:46:44] but they usually do not come to IETF [15:47:02] Tim Sheppard at the mic [15:52:29] slide: data acks must be explicit [15:52:50] slide: problems with data acks in the payload [15:53:32] slide: experiment [15:55:21] slide: experiment:ack path congestion [15:57:15] slide: fixing head of line blocking [15:57:30] slide: problems with data acks in payload [15:57:45] slide: what about data sequence mapping? [15:58:38] slide: conclusions [15:59:34] discussion time [15:59:42] Tim Shepperd at the mic [16:00:09] if anybody has question to relay write "RELAY:" [16:06:17] Tim again at the mic: [16:07:05] Lars@mic [16:09:06] thomas.dreibholz leaves the room [16:09:25] Did some one get the name after Marcelo? [16:09:41] Majai? or similar? [16:09:46] Thanks. [16:11:10] Jana Iyengar [16:11:17] Thanks. 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