[00:01:16] <gigix73> J: will you maintain tcp port number?
[00:01:23] <gigix73> C: yes
[00:01:42] <gigix73> J: there are middle boxes that will cause problem
[00:05:03] <gigix73> J: lot of things to consider but I would put the accept on reliability
[00:06:17] <gigix73> Mark: both solutions can confuse intrusion detection systems
[00:07:06] <gigix73> Mark: in 10 years time what solution will give us the maximum of benefits?
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[00:08:44] <gigix73> Mark: I prefer at the end option encoding
[00:09:41] <gigix73> Marcelo: we should consider also what type of security level we want to provide
[00:11:33] <gigix73> Jana: I want to predict my end to end state
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[00:15:15] <gigix73> Scott: we miss data
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[00:15:58] <gigix73> Scott: we cannot say vendors in 10 years may be this will be useful
[00:16:08] <gigix73> Mark: how do we get that data?
[00:18:04] <gigix73> ?? : Why not extending the options itself? 
[00:19:02] <gigix73> ??: how much of the design will depend on what's out there instead of what we decide should be the way the protocol should work 
[00:20:09] <gigix73> Erik: do we have middleboxes changing the stream length
[00:20:17] <gigix73> seems that they exist
[00:21:34] <gigix73> Phil: no more time
[00:22:03] <gigix73> Phil: try to create more time for discussion on friday
[00:22:37] <gigix73> it is not clear where people are in payload vs options
[00:22:58] <gigix73> hum request on options and payload
[00:24:47] <gigix73> for the moment people favor options (this is not an official consensus call)
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