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[09:00:40] Relatore corrente: Chairs [09:00:41] Slide 1: MMUSIC @ IETF 89 [09:00:42] Slide 2: Note Well [09:00:54] Slide 3: Administrativia [09:00:55] rossfinlayson joins the room [09:01:44] just FYI, there's a Meetecho room available for this session: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf89/mmusic [09:02:41] Ross Finlayson joins the room [09:02:43] Slide 4: Agenda Overview - Monday [09:03:16] Slide 5: Agenda Overview - Thursday [09:03:40] Slide 6: WG status (1) - Milestones [09:04:18] rossfinlayson leaves the room [09:05:27] Cullen Jennings joins the room [09:05:38] Alissa Cooper joins the room [09:06:15] ted.h joins the room [09:07:09] Slide 7: WG status (2) [09:07:28] jesup joins the room [09:07:38] Slide 8: WG status (3) [09:07:46] Slide 9: WG status (4) [09:08:53] Presentazione interrotta [09:08:58] hta joins the room [09:09:29] Slide 2: Dra5  Updates   [09:09:40] Relatore corrente: Pal-Erik Martinsen [09:09:41] Slide 2: Dra5  Updates   [09:09:51] Slide 3: Algorithm  Overview   [09:10:39] Slide 4: Algorithm  Overview  (2)   [09:11:01] Slide 5: Pass  1   [09:11:19] Slide 6: Pass  2   [09:11:22] Slide 7: Pass  3   [09:11:30] Slide 8: Pass  4   [09:11:32] Slide 9: Pass  5   [09:11:41] Slide 10: Pass  6   [09:11:47] Slide 11: Pass  7   [09:11:51] Slide 12: Pass  8   [09:11:56] Slide 13: Pass  9   [09:12:01] Slide 14: Pass  10   [09:12:06] Slide 15: Candidate  “list”   [09:13:09] Slide 16: Compatbility   [09:14:51] Martin Thomson at the mic, me at the mic [09:14:52] Slide 17: Does  it  work?   [09:16:11] Martin Thomson at the mic [09:17:10] Bernard Aboba at the mic [09:17:45] Christer Holmberg at the floor mic [09:18:25] Martin Thomson at the mic [09:19:24] jsaldana joins the room [09:19:31] Christer Holmberg at the mic [09:21:14] Jonathan Lennox at the mic [09:22:16] Jonathan Lennox leaves the room [09:23:16] Jonathan Lennox joins the room [09:24:58] Sorry, computer went to sleep I think [09:25:03] Bernard Aboba at the mic [09:25:04] :) [09:26:56] Presentazione interrotta 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probably as-if from the floor) [09:37:19] Slide 19: STUN Server [09:38:03] Slide 20: STUN Server [09:38:05] Slide 21: STUN Server [09:38:16] Slide 22: STUN Server [09:38:53] Slide 23: STUN Server [09:40:03] James Polk at the mic [09:40:30] Martin Thomson at the mic [09:41:06] Gonzalo joins the room [09:41:29] Jonathan Lennox at the mic [09:43:22] Slide 24: TURN Server [09:44:29] Slide 25: TURN Server [09:44:38] Slide 26: TURN Server [09:44:58] Slide 27: TURN Server [09:45:04] Slide 28: TURN Server [09:45:20] Slide 27: TURN Server [09:45:42] jsaldana leaves the room [09:46:17] Me at the mic [09:46:17] Slide 28: TURN Server [09:46:26] Slide 29: Emil Ivov, Enrico Marocco, Christer Holm [09:46:37] Slide 30: Emil Ivov, Enrico Marocco, Christer Holm [09:47:25] Adam Roach at the mic [09:48:22] Martin Thomson at the mic [09:48:47] Bernard Aboba at the mic [09:50:02] Enrico Morocco at the mic [09:50:59] Slide 31: application/sdpfrag [09:51:48] Adam Roach [09:52:45] Martin Thomson at the mic 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[11:07:50] Slide 13: SDP offer/answer scenarios cont.. [11:08:11] Slide 14: MSRP over DataChannels [11:09:14] Slide 15: Example SDP for MSRP over DC [11:09:44] Slide 16: MSRP configurations supported [11:10:21] Slide 17: Example for CLUE [11:10:43] Slide 18: Proposed work plan [11:11:44] Matthew Kauffman at the mic [11:12:08] Jonathan Lennox at the mic [11:13:04] rossfinlayson joins the room [11:13:42] Matthew Kauffman at the mic [11:14:08] rossfinlayson leaves the room [11:15:14] Ted Hardie at the mic [11:15:30] Ross Finlayson joins the room [11:15:41] mic: why would this be needed for WebRTC endpoints (in the browser)? (echoing Lennox) You *can* do it in the SDP and have the app parse it. How important is WebRTC browser-to-SIP-datachannels interop? Where would it really occur? [11:16:46] Ross Finlayson leaves the room [11:17:09] in line for relay [11:17:27] mic: to ted's point, any "external" negotiation is up to the application to do the "right" things at both ends to create the channel via the external_negotiation boolean that suppresses sending the OPEN, so I don't think there are new security issues here [11:18:15] Mary Barnes at mic before [11:18:20] Paul Kizyvat speaking now [11:19:13] sorry, Kyzivat :) [11:19:22] Cullen Jennings at the mic [11:20:38] Jonathan Lennox at the mic [11:21:43] Agree with lennox [11:21:47] Matthew Kauffman at the mic [11:24:06] mic: I don't agree with Kaufman - it's merely an application bug, not a problem for the browser, which is NOT parsing this [11:24:24] just as a reminder for remote attendees, there's a Meetecho room available for this session: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf89/mmusic [11:24:39] mic: For browser apps, this is completely external as far as this is concerned [11:24:48] Paul K at the mic [11:25:21] Randell, I see Jonathan in line, I guess he'll relay you [11:25:51] Yes, I'm in line to relay [11:26:04] mic: And I agree with Paul K's last comment, which was what we said about external negotiation originally [11:26:23] Harald Alvestramd at the mic [11:26:36] Gonzalo leaves the room [11:27:36] Ted Hardie at the mic [11:28:47] Jonathan Lennox at the mic [11:29:16] ted.h joins the room [11:31:10] ted.h leaves the room [11:31:19] ted.h joins the room [11:31:26] ted.h leaves the room [11:31:27] agree would could call earlier once a new version is available [11:31:48] the session's over, recordings will be made available soon on http://ietf89.conf.meetecho.com [11:31:51] Presentazione interrotta [11:31:57] Cullen Jennings leaves the room [11:32:03] hta leaves the room [11:32:06] I missed the blue sheet ;-) [11:32:24] tomkrist leaves the room [11:32:49] Neil Stratford leaves the room [11:33:03] Lorenzo Miniero leaves the room [11:33:17] Jonathan Lennox leaves the room [11:34:39] tomkrist joins the room [11:45:17] Alissa Cooper leaves the room [11:47:47] alfredh@jabber.org leaves the room [11:51:58] alfredh@jabber.org joins the room [11:52:47] alfredh@jabber.org leaves the room [11:53:51] tomkrist leaves the room [12:16:55] Alissa Cooper joins the room [13:00:10] Jonathan Lennox joins the room [13:00:48] hta joins the room [13:01:41] hta leaves the room [13:02:56] Jonathan Lennox leaves the room [13:04:37] hta joins the room [13:04:48] mreavy leaves the room [13:09:10] jesup leaves the room [13:11:14] alfredh@jabber.org joins the room [13:32:51] hta leaves the room [13:48:35] Alissa Cooper leaves the room [14:07:34] hta joins the room [14:25:13] Cullen Jennings joins the room [14:25:34] Cullen Jennings leaves the room [14:53:32] hta leaves the room [14:57:14] hta joins the room [15:02:26] hta leaves the room [15:28:37] hta joins the room [15:38:19] alfredh@jabber.org leaves the room [16:08:48] hta leaves the room [16:21:16] alfredh@jabber.org joins the room [17:33:05] alfredh@jabber.org leaves the room [17:33:09] alfredh@jabber.org joins the room [17:36:18] hta joins the room [17:38:42] alfredh@jabber.org joins the room [17:39:00] alfredh@jabber.org leaves the room [17:42:00] alfredh@jabber.org leaves the room [17:42:10] alfredh@jabber.org joins the room [17:46:50] alfredh@jabber.org joins the room [18:02:30] alfredh@jabber.org leaves the room [18:05:30] alfredh@jabber.org leaves the room [18:30:06] alfredh@jabber.org joins the room [19:58:32] alfredh@jabber.org leaves the room [20:06:35] hta leaves the room [20:31:55] alfredh@jabber.org joins the room [20:43:13] alfredh@jabber.org leaves the room [22:43:37] hta joins the room [23:01:26] hta leaves the room [23:03:15] alfredh@jabber.org joins the room [23:03:44] alfredh@jabber.org leaves the room