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[14:50:45] Dan York has set the subject to: MMUSIC at IETF 73
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[15:01:13] <Dan York> I'll be glad to Jabber scribe
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[15:02:18] <Dean Willis> we'd be glad to have you Jabber scribe, dan. Please come to SIP too!
[15:02:38] <Dan York> :-)
[15:02:57] <Dan York> Oh, I'll be in SIP, Dean.
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[15:03:27] <Dan York> From the Jabber scribing point-of-view, Henning's little RFID experiment should be interesting.
[15:03:32] <Dean Willis> Indeed.
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[15:05:35] <Dan York> Chairs are starting the meeting
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[15:08:24] <Dan York> Chairs reviewing WG status
[15:08:35] <Dan York> Anyone remote or is everyone in the room?
[15:08:41] <Dan York> Slides are NOT yet up on the server yet.
[15:08:42] <Ted> I am remote
[15:08:58] <Ted> I want to come in for ICE-TCP, but am time splitting with APPAREA
[15:09:06] <Ted> If you can flag when that comes up, I'd appreciate it.
[15:09:20] <Dan York> Okay, will do.
[15:09:24] <Ted> thanks, dan
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[15:11:28] <Dan York> On SDP Capability Negotiation Draft
[15:11:51] <Dan York> draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-capability-negotiation-09
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[15:14:44] <Cullen Jennings> Would someone be willing to put a note into the jabber room when we switch to each new agenda item so folks outside have an idea where we are ? 
[15:14:57] <Philip Matthews> Any chance of sending the slides directly to remote participants, or posting them to the mailing list?
[15:15:00] <Dan York> Yep, I'm doing that.
[15:15:20] <Dan York> Responding to Cullen
[15:15:44] <Dan York> Phillip - I'll ask when there's a break in the presentation
[15:16:29] <Dan York> Phillip, you are remote, correct?
[15:16:35] <Philip Matthews> Yes
[15:17:32] <Philip Matthews> My e-mail is philip_matthews@magma.ca if you want to e-mail them directly to me.
[15:18:15] <Dan York> Just asked... the chairs are going to do something.
[15:18:35] <Philip Matthews> I heard on the audio -- thanks!
[15:18:42] <Dan York> (Magma.ca, eh?  I had an account with them when living in Ottawa.)
[15:19:27] <Dean Willis> Since this is part of the record, I think it is very lax of the chairs to not have slides preposted. Gosh, I hope people send me their slides on time for today's SIP meeting so I won't be mortally embarassed.
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[15:20:37] <Dan York> Christer Holmberg at mic
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[15:21:02] <Ted> Still on SDP, right?  Not yet moved to TCP?
[15:21:06] <Cullen Jennings> It's a bummer situation  - and will try to get it sorted out as quickly as a possible. I opened a ticket with the IT people and hopefully will get slides out ASAP
[15:21:07] <Ted> sorry, ice-tcp
[15:22:16] <Dan York> Ted: No, not there yet
[15:22:22] <Ted> thanks
[15:22:35] <Dan York> Roni Even at mic
[15:24:22] <Dean Willis> yeah, I just noticed I was trying to upload SIP slides, and the server is timing out.
[15:25:27] <Dean Willis> Cullen: If you want me to post slides on softarmor site, I think that can be arranged.
[15:25:28] <Cullen Jennings> I I have the slides and just emailed them to Philip, if anyone else wants them, let me know
[15:25:38] <Dan York> Now on "Other SDP Capability Negotiation Extensions"
[15:27:20] <Dan York> Talking about RTSP 2.0
[15:27:34] <Dan York> Now mentioning MMUSIC at RAI Interim
[15:27:47] <Dan York> MMUSIC will meet on 22 January to focus on RTSP 2.0
[15:27:53] <Dan York> Cullen at mic
[15:28:44] <Dan York> Cullen asking who is going to Malta.
[15:29:15] <Ted> Not me.
[15:29:17] <Dan York> First agenda item - SDP Image Attribute
[15:29:27] <Dan York> Ted: Me, neither, at the moment.
[15:30:07] <Dan York> Not sure who is presenting at the moment
[15:30:27] <Dan York> Inemar Johanseon
[15:30:31] <Dan York> Ingemar
[15:32:55] <Cullen Jennings> You should be able to find the slides at http://idisk.mac.com/cullenfluffyjennings-Public?view=web
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[15:35:05] <Dan York> Ingemar asking if this draft could be adopted as a Working Group item.
[15:35:11] <Dan York> Jonathan Lenox at the mic
[15:35:13] <Miguel Garcia> where are teh slides?
[15:35:19] <Cullen Jennings> http://idisk.mac.com/cullenfluffyjennings-Public?view=web
[15:35:30] <Miguel Garcia> thanks!!!
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[15:41:37] <Dan York> Chairs asking if people are okay with this draft.
[15:41:54] <Dan York> JDR at mic - who is going to implement this draft?
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[15:42:21] <Dan York> Stefan Banger (?) at mic - the fact that 3GPP is asking for this shows market interest.
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[15:42:41] <Dan York> Roni Even - similar capabilities are in H.323 and are used in shipping products.
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[15:43:10] <Dean Willis> Note on slides: The proceedings site works if you turn off IPv6. Really.
[15:43:13] <Dan York> Chairs asking for hum
[15:43:17] <Miguel Garcia> Interesting ,there is some delay with the audio. I get the comments from the chat room a few seconds before the audio
[15:43:33] <Miguel Garcia> Hum
[15:44:21] <Dan York> Miguel Garcia: It's my new timeshifting software... I'm able to know what people are going to say in advance of them going to the mic. :-)
[15:44:32] <Miguel Garcia> :-)
[15:45:05] <Dan York> Chairs talking about the middlebox draft for which no one is here to present.
[15:45:14] <Dean Willis> really, there's serial buffering delay in the audio. usually runs about 30 seconds.
[15:45:16] <Dan York> Chairs asking for a show of hands of who is interested in the work?
[15:45:28] <Dan York> A good number of hands raised.
[15:45:47] <Dan York> ICE-TCP
[15:45:53] <Ted> thanks
[15:45:53] <Dean Willis> ted, ice-tcp!
[15:46:04] <Dean Willis> Run Ted, run!
[15:46:06] <Philip Matthews> I noticed at the Dublin meeting that audio was delayed somewhat ...
[15:46:07] <Dan York> Bruce Lowekamp going to the front
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[15:47:31] <Dan York> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lowekamp-mmusic-ice-tcp-framework-00
[15:48:50] <Philip Matthews> JDR read my mind ... :-)
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[15:49:02] <Dan York> Slides at http://idisk.mac.com/cullenfluffyjennings-Public?view=web
[15:52:52] <Dan York> Bruce on slide 5
[15:53:02] <Dan York> Proposal
[15:56:19] <Dan York> JDR at mic
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[16:02:56] <Dan York> I was at the mic, as were JDR and Ted
[16:03:00] <Dan York> Cullen now
[16:03:31] <Dan York> "We need more info"
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[16:07:35] <Dan York> EKR at the mic
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[16:08:43] <Dan York> We are all in awe of Adam Roach for his use of "hojillion" in describing the way Skype goes after firewalls.
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[16:17:27] <Philip Matthews> I agree with JDR
[16:18:02] <Philip Matthews> Bruce and Adam's doc should go into ICE-TCP
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[16:21:18] <Dan York> Adam Roach at mic
[16:21:38] <Dan York> "Do we want to do this when, as we've just said, engineers aren't free?"
[16:22:04] <richard.barnes> We can't afford hojillions of engineers!
[16:22:06] <Ted> Dan, I'm back in APPAREA; if you can reflect what happens on this, I'd appreciate it.
[16:22:20] <Dan York> Sure
[16:22:42] <Dan York> Discussion around Simultaneous Open - do we keep it or ditch it?
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[16:22:59] <Ted> Thanks, Dan.
[16:23:57] <Dan York> Bruce Lowekamp at mic
[16:24:15] <Dan York> Bruce - some NATs will lock out SO
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[16:25:39] <Dan York> JDR - officially calls for help in rewiting ICE-TCP
[16:25:50] <Dan York> Next up - RTSP
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[16:27:24] <Dan York> draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis
[16:28:40] <Dan York> Issue: Media Properties
[16:28:48] <Dan York> Clarify multicast SETUP request
[16:29:08] <Dan York> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis-19.txt
[16:29:30] <Dan York> Martin Stiemerling is the presenter
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[16:30:53] <Dan York> Remi was the last speaker
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[16:31:22] <Dan York> Remi Denis-Courmont with Nokia
[16:31:29] <Dan York> Remi back at mic
[16:31:46] <Dan York> Slide: "Expires header affect on cachability"
[16:32:03] <Dan York> Slide: The "Speed" header
[16:33:13] <Dan York> Someone at the mic
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[16:35:37] <Dan York> Slide "What's next"
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[16:39:45] <Dan York> Next preso
[16:39:55] <Dan York> Simo Veikkolainen from Nokia presenting
[16:40:08] <Dan York> SDP and circuit-switched bearers
[16:40:45] <Dan York> For those just joining, MMUSIC slides are at: http://idisk.mac.com/cullenfluffyjennings-Public?view=web
[16:43:55] <Miguel Garcia> We can add the DTMF, my only concern is who is going to implement it
[16:44:08] <Dan York> I'll pose that question.
[16:44:59] <Miguel Garcia> Adam's suggestion seems reasonable
[16:45:22] <Dan York> Miguel Garcia: Relayed
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[16:46:18] <Miguel Garcia> I heard it, thanks, Dan
[16:48:29] <Dan York> JDR at mic - who is going to implement?
[16:49:01] <Dan York> Scott Lawrence at mic - we can't all say that we are going to implement something.
[16:50:11] <Dan York> chairs - anyone opposed to adding this as a workgroup item?
[16:50:18] <Dan York> Next preso - Simo presenting again
[16:50:37] <Dan York> Miscellaneous Capabilities Negotiation in SDP
[16:50:51] <Dan York> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-garcia-mmusic-sdp-misc-cap-00
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[16:52:51] <Miguel Garcia> No, the i= line is not the label line
[16:54:15] <Dan York> Do you want me to relay that?
[16:54:22] <Dan York> Jonathan Lennox at mic
[16:54:33] <Miguel Garcia> no, thanks, no need anymore
[16:54:43] <Dan York> Roni at mic
[16:55:20] <Dan York> Ted Hardie at mic
[16:55:48] Dan York has to step out for a minute - if someone can take over until I return that would be great.
[16:56:00] <Miguel Garcia> We have creq tags for ccap and bcap, but not for icap
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[16:57:07] <Miguel Garcia> Section 5.2 of the draft is the IANA registration of two new tags
[16:57:40] <Jean-Francois> sorry for not relaying your comments Miguel but well noted
[16:57:59] <Miguel Garcia> To Roni: the i= line is intended to be presented to human users, not for UA consumption
[16:58:10] <Miguel Garcia> no problem
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[16:59:24] <Dan York> back
[16:59:30] <Dan York> now in the FEC presentation
[16:59:40] <Dan York> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-begen-mmusic-rfc4756bis-00.txt
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[17:08:25] <Dan York> Mark Posten was at mic.
[17:08:36] <Dan York> Jonathan Lennox now at Mic.
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[17:14:56] <Dan York> Session over...
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