- Wednesday, 1 August 2012

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[20:02:41] <sarikaya2012> Margaret is introducing agenda
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[20:03:51] <sarikaya2012> document status slide
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[20:05:27] <a34467> test
[20:07:25] <sarikaya2012> lorenzo said agree on the problem but not this solution
[20:08:46] <sarikaya2012> Lorenzo: majority not supporting this solution why not allow other solutions?
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[20:13:03] <sarikaya2012> Costas: possible to withdraw this draft?
[20:13:30] <sarikaya2012> Margaret: yes it is possible to drop this WG item
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[20:23:37] <sarikaya2012> Ralph: document status is post WGLC
[20:23:38] <Andrew Sullivan> The mic line is closed, but it seems to me that the original WGLC means that the document needed work
[20:24:21] <Andrew Sullivan> and so it ends up back in the WG, and now you have to have another "last" call. The problem basically is that when you make a "last call", it's really a statement of hope
[20:24:41] <sarikaya2012> Margaret will set up issue tracker for the issues
[20:25:23] <sarikaya2012> Juan carlos on 802.21
[20:26:28] <sarikaya2012> Future IETF MIF work slide
[20:27:54] <sarikaya2012> IETF MIF API
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[20:28:40] <sarikaya2012> IEEE 802.21 MIHS
[20:30:17] <sarikaya2012> IEEE 802.21 MIH_SAP
[20:31:00] <sarikaya2012> Recommendations
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[20:32:28] <sarikaya2012> IEEE MIF API
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[20:34:25] <sarikaya2012> Discussion
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[20:45:23] <sarikaya2012> MIF-API Straw Man Proposal (1) slide is being discussed
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[21:13:18] <sarikaya2012> Now Dan Wing is presenting
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[21:19:14] <dmitry.anipko> if someone can relay to the mic - does the draft intend in its end state to describe a more formal model for the hard parameters and associated APIs? if it doesn't, in that case, then I think it may be useful to say at the high level, that HE just assumes there may be multiple phases of interface selection, give examples of such selections for illustrative purposes only (e.g. user/operator policies), and describe how HE applies at the last phase, where one or more possible interfaces are identified, possibly with some being preferred based on previous phases. Currently it is unclear whether it attempts to "prescribe" a particular model for those previous phases or not
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[21:21:28] <dmitry.anipko> thanks
[21:21:41] <sarikaya2012> @dimitry Dan will reply on the list
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[21:26:22] <danwing> Dmitry: "if someone can relay to the mic - does the draft intend in its end state to describe a more formal model for the hard parameters and associated APIs? if it doesn't, in that case, then I think it may be useful to say at the high level, that HE just assumes there may be multiple phases of interface selection, give examples of such selections for illustrative purposes only (e.g. user/operator policies), and describe how HE applies at the last phase, where one or more possible interfaces are identified, possibly with some being preferred based on previous phases. Currently it is unclear whether it attempts to "prescribe" a particular model for those previous phases or not" ->> I would say it won't specify the APIs, as Happy Eyeballs should not necessarily need special APIs. Note that Firefox and Chrome are doing Happy Eyeballs, but aren't using special APIs. Note, too, that iOS and OS X are doing Happy Eyeballs, but do it internal to their OS framework (so that applications don't have to do it), giving their internal framework information about round-trip time, connection setup time, etc., to optimize the delay for trying the 2nd, 3rd, 4th interfaces. We would want to allow either implementation, I expect.
[21:29:35] <dmitry.anipko> sorry, that was not the focus of the question, I probably should not have mentioned the "API" word. My main point was - in my view, the draft has 2 parts right now: description of scenarios & hard/soft parameters concept, and then the "HE" section per se. The first part, the way it is written, it is seems to be half-specific. I'd suggest to make it either a more formal model, or just convert into illustration and assumption that HE is making, that some preliminary interface selection may have been done.
[21:30:02] <danwing> ok.
[21:30:15] <danwing> I'll take that input to the co-authors and we'll get back to you.
[21:30:22] <dmitry.anipko> thank you
[21:31:35] <danwing> Sure.
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[21:42:43] <sarikaya2012> Daniel Migault is presenting
[21:45:18] <sarikaya2012> Costas: these are requirements not features
[21:45:24] <sarikaya2012> Daniel: yes
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[21:57:30] <sarikaya2012> 6-7 people have IPSec expertise
[21:58:06] <sarikaya2012> 6-76-7 people interested in working
[21:58:40] <sarikaya2012> Tero said those claimed missing are noot actually missing
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[22:03:06] <sarikaya2012> adjourned at 3:03pm
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