- Thursday, 29 March 2012

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Thursday, 29 March 2012< ^ >

Dave Thaler has set the subject to: MIF IETF 81

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[15:45:47] <tonyhain> mic is too far away from the speaker
[15:46:01] <Rob Trace (Microsoft)> Isn't this IETF 83? :-)
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[15:50:23] <sarikaya2012> Margareth on Tuesday's api workshop
[15:50:49] <tonyhain> would someone remind the speakers that there are people outside the room that are trying to hear?
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[15:52:14] <tonyhain> just a tiny ... like you are using the room mic
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[15:52:51] <sarikaya2012> @tony is it OK now?
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[15:53:27] <tonyhain> no ... the speaker mic is dead
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[15:53:49] ogud has set the subject to: MIF Meeting at IETF-83
[15:53:51] <sarikaya2012> @tony maybe technical difficulties we can not help
[15:53:59] <sarikaya2012> Ted on mif api http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/slides/slides-83-mif-10.pdf
[15:54:15] <sarikaya2012> slide 2
[15:54:18] <tonyhain> try turning the room mic forward to see if that picks up better
[15:54:56] <sarikaya2012> @tony Ted has the mic is it OK now?
[15:55:28] <tonyhain> better than it was
[15:56:01] <sarikaya2012> Hui is saying mif api is generic nothing to do with mobility
[15:56:34] <sarikaya2012> slide 3
[15:56:44] <sarikaya2012> Laurent is at mic
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[15:57:11] <sarikaya2012> Sri is at mic
[15:57:24] <Alex Petrescu> sri speaking
[15:57:50] <sarikaya2012> @Alex thanks O:)
[15:58:01] <Dave Thaler> the slide url above isn't working for me, is it just me?
[15:58:41] <sarikaya2012> @Dave it works on Mozilla
[15:59:02] <sarikaya2012> @Dave it works on Explorer as well
[15:59:20] <sarikaya2012> slide 4 now
[16:00:51] <tonyhain> it is not just you, use http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-mif-10.pdf
[16:01:07] <Dave Thaler> thanks tony that one works fine
[16:02:55] <sarikaya2012> Slide 6 now
[16:04:05] <sarikaya2012> Slide 7
[16:04:45] <Alex Petrescu> eandsf?
[16:05:09] <Alex Petrescu> ends? ats?
[16:05:39] <sarikaya2012> ANDSF
[16:06:01] <sarikaya2012> access network discovery function of 3GPP
[16:07:17] <sarikaya2012> Raj is speaking
[16:07:36] <sarikaya2012> we should not try to define QoS says Raj
[16:08:08] <sarikaya2012> last slide
[16:08:49] <sarikaya2012> Woj on mif DHCP Route http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/slides/slides-83-mif-9.pdf
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[16:09:42] <sarikaya2012> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-mif-9.pdf
[16:10:13] <sarikaya2012> slide 3 now
[16:10:47] <sarikaya2012> slide 4
[16:11:07] <sarikaya2012> slide 5
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[16:12:17] <sarikaya2012> slide 6
[16:13:01] <sarikaya2012> slide 7 Zhen Cao is presenting
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[16:15:45] <sarikaya2012> slide 8
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[16:17:25] <sarikaya2012> slide 9
[16:17:45] <sarikaya2012> now Q&A
[16:17:52] <sarikaya2012> Laurent is at mic
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[16:26:41] <tonyhain> why is this not DHCP option 121 ? ie: 3442bis
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[16:37:41] <sarikaya2012> Margaret said the discussion ends at 7pm
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[16:45:44] <iljitsch> you can always argue on jabber :-)
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[16:49:03] <tonyhain> at the end of the day, the RA model and the DHCP model should be able to stand alone and let operators choose. Requiring both is not helpful
[16:49:04] <iljitsch> it's strange how this is a -04 when I heard this proposal more than 4 years ago
[16:49:57] <iljitsch> tonyhain: that would have been a good argument in 1998, but not now
[16:50:15] <iljitsch> and even then DHCP doesn't give you the fate sharing that RAs do
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[16:51:05] <sarikaya2012> @Iljitsch -00 was issued in Jan. 2011, it was a draft merger
[16:51:22] <tonyhain> it is still valid. we keep fighting the pointless battle over which model is better. Put the full capability in both and let the world move forward
[16:51:51] <iljitsch> tonyhain: sorry, I have to disagree
[16:52:24] <iljitsch> like I said, we finally got to a place where DHCPv6 is usable in practice now that MacOS supports it, how is it helpful to fragment DHCPv6 support again?
[16:52:27] <sarikaya2012> My draft, one of the drafts merged was issued in March 2009
[16:52:58] <tonyhain> People do use option 121
[16:53:04] <tonyhain> someone yell that at the moc
[16:53:09] <iljitsch> ok the merge explains the low number, still you couldn't get this to pass in nearly 5 years, that should tell you something
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[16:53:24] <iljitsch> can we agree to see if a compromise solution is workable for all involved?
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[16:53:41] <iljitsch> tonyhain: lines are closed
[16:54:05] <tonyhain> the low number is an artifact, the major use is actually 249, the private MSFT approach which 121 takes out of private space
[16:54:41] <tonyhain> that was a response to Margret's comment about it being used
[16:55:11] <iljitsch> so when do we hum?
[16:55:37] <Alex Petrescu> repeat, when
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[16:58:51] <tonyhain> i was actually looking for this option yesterday for a vpn related deployment. RA would be fine in concept, but i would need to certify and update the router vs. adding an option to the dhcp server.
[16:59:23] <iljitsch> tony: do you think my compromise suggestion is useful?
[17:01:12] <tonyhain> i didn't understand the compromise. we should chat later offline
[17:03:00] <iljitsch> ok
[17:03:09] <iljitsch> did you hear dave? he made a lot of sense
[17:03:27] <iljitsch> could even extend this to very special host cases such as 3gpp
[17:03:33] <iljitsch> but not for normal host interfaces
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[17:07:40] <Alex Petrescu> question time!
[17:08:07] <Alex Petrescu> send to IESG or stop?
[17:08:13] <Alex Petrescu> how many people to continue?
[17:08:21] <tonyhain> continue
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[17:10:12] <Alex Petrescu> ja: what is the problem?
[17:10:32] <tonyhain> split the doc if there are multiple problems to solve
[17:10:37] <Alex Petrescu> ja: 3rd option, routing protocols, other work we could start from this?
[17:12:39] <tonyhain> continue
[17:13:24] <tonyhain> split the doc into vpn vs. carrier issues
[17:13:48] <tonyhain> dhcpv6 option yes
[17:14:48] <sarikaya2012> it was decided to work on this problem but
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[17:14:57] <Alex Petrescu> no decision...
[17:15:02] <Alex Petrescu> 3 ADs talking
[17:15:06] <sarikaya2012> not by defining a DHCP option
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[17:26:34] <tonyhain> yes
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[17:37:56] <tonyhain> names at the mic???
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