[18:28:27] karen.s.seo joins the room [18:49:01] Gerardo joins the room [18:49:01] Gerardo leaves the room [18:49:02] Gerardo joins the room [18:52:45] Seung joins the room [19:01:17] Greg Schumacher joins the room [19:01:28] TJ joins the room [19:04:40] behcet.sarikaya joins the room [19:04:41] Hi fols [19:04:51] I would appreciate a jabber scribe ;) [19:05:18] ... that's me ... [19:05:27] ldondeti joins the room [19:05:33] thanks TJ [19:07:49] ... getting agenda, etc. ... one sec ...Current slide = "Deliverables (I)" [19:08:09] fdupont joins the room [19:08:36] Meeting agenda @ http://tools.ietf.org/wg/mext/agenda?item=agenda73.html [19:08:46] eronenp joins the room [19:10:06] Slide = "Deliverables III" [19:10:39] Slide = "Deliverables IV" [19:10:51] lion joins the room [19:12:11] Next presentation: Ralf w/ "DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation for NEMO" ... draft @ http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mext-nemo-pd-01 ... slides @ http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/mext-8.pdf [19:13:51] (Sorry - Ralph ... agenda nit) [19:14:01] Slide = "Review and Status" [19:14:49] vijay joins the room [19:14:58] (Slide 3 - "Discussion Issues") [19:16:14] Marcelo speaking ... [19:16:59] Charles @ mic ... conversation ... DHAAD --> optional [19:18:06] (Missed plrev speaker) ... Raj and Ralph speaking now [19:20:07] (name?) and Ralph speaking [19:21:28] (name?) [19:23:13] (if anyone knows the names please feel free to fill them in ... ) [19:23:25] Julien is speaking now [19:23:40] Fan on mic [19:23:56] @Behcet - thanks [19:24:55] sureshk joins the room [19:25:42] Marcelo speaking ... polls room for relevance [19:26:19] ... ongoing conversation, Marcelo, Julien and Fan ... punting to tomorrow AM's mtg for relevance ... [19:26:51] This is part of the pmip-mip interactions draft [19:27:02] We can handle this in NETLMM draft if needed [19:27:27] Marcelo calls issue due to time ... punt to ML for further discussion [19:27:36] gerardo: The chairs agree with you :-) [19:28:05] nsko joins the room [19:28:08] Next presentation: Ahmad with "Binding revocation", draft @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-muhanna-mext-binding-revocation-02.txt ... slides @ http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/mext-3.ppt [19:28:54] (Slide 2 - "Since IETF-72") [19:30:58] (Slide 4 ... "Next rev 02: ...") [19:32:41] (Slide 5) [19:33:32] (Slide 6) [19:35:16] First of all, it doesn't make sense to talk about separation of control and data plane for a mobile node [19:35:17] (Slide 7) [19:35:34] Gerardo leaves the room: Replaced by new connection. [19:35:34] Gerardo joins the room [19:35:38] right, but this applies to pmip as well [19:35:58] Julien @ mic [19:36:25] That is not correct [19:36:31] Sri was talking [19:36:40] Now Alper [19:36:53] Ah, sorry! [19:36:53] vijay formulate a statement you want to relay [19:38:46] now Julien [19:39:01] ... now Charles ... [19:40:22] AltCoA option was mainly for protecting the CoA using IPsec ESP [19:40:40] Never for separation of control and data plane separation [19:41:01] I think that was the intent [19:41:17] but the check was never enforced until draft-arkko came out [19:41:24] @Vijay - relay to room? [19:41:32] Yes, please [19:41:43] Gerardo leaves the room: Replaced by new connection. [19:41:43] Gerardo joins the room [19:43:01] why not discuss it in mail list too? [19:43:24] vidya joins the room [19:44:23] @Vijay ... I think Suresh is in line to do so ... if not, I'll hop in line when queue shortens ... [19:44:28] thanks [19:45:51] lion leaves the room: Computer went to sleep [19:46:12] ((good thing the agenda had free time ... )) [19:47:20] Suresh at mic ... [19:49:08] ... missed one ... now Hesham, right? [19:49:21] tj: right [19:49:29] line was cut after hesham [19:49:53] Chairs calling the covnersation ... punt to ML for discussion over 3775 interpretation ... [19:50:14] markkao joins the room [19:50:23] ((action on the last item == no action)) [19:50:58] ((comment on need for expedience WRT 3775bis)) [19:51:14] Next presentation: Ahmad with "Binding revocation using Auth option", draft @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-muhanna-mext-revocation-using-authoption-00.txt ... slides at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/mext-4.ppt [19:52:03] (Slide 2) [19:53:17] (Slide 3) [19:54:35] (Slide 4) [19:56:00] Call for questions ... [19:56:38] Call for WG acceptance ... [19:57:53] lion joins the room [19:58:00] Frank... spoke up for others who support this ... (room was quiet) [19:58:40] Marcelo - who has read it, any comments from there? [19:58:56] Suresh at mic [19:59:50] Suresh - has the need been established? ... Frank ... Julien ... [20:00:32] Raj ... Marcelo ... [20:00:55] Marcelo - do we need this or not? [20:02:22] Julien - Has anyone sent us an indication they needed it? (Liason statement) ... more than two hands went up this time, like 5'ish [20:02:59] ... the opposite call gets about the same # (I counted 6) [20:03:17] IMHO, the need should be come from SDOs, that is more power but not only person. [20:03:45] Suresh - ~"Defining need by opposition to the lack thereof is nonsensical" [20:04:02] Next presentation: Domagoj with "Extended home link support for DSMIP6" ... draft @ http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-premec-mext-extended-home-link-00 ... slides at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/mext-2.pdf [20:04:58] Sorry, different speaker than agenda called ... name is ____? [20:05:05] (Slide 2) [20:06:29] (Slide 3) [20:06:51] (Slide 4) [20:08:24] Seung leaves the room [20:08:25] Hesham ... question on slide 4 ... [20:10:50] (Julien and Hesham at mic) [20:10:52] I tend to agree with Hesham [20:11:04] one of two bindings is implementation dependant [20:11:07] lion leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [20:11:34] lion joins the room [20:12:24] (Slide 5) [20:12:46] what is needed is that the MN can de-register IPv4 HoA and not the IPv6 HoA - a lifetime in the IPv4 HoA should solve the issue [20:14:08] this is covered by the interactions draft in NETLMM [20:14:32] Current speaker name = _____? [20:14:50] Karen [20:15:00] Thx [20:15:36] Julien, Hesham and Karen talking at imc ... [20:16:01] (Slide 6) [20:16:25] ... Karen ... comment on req for this WRT 3GPP2 [20:17:26] Call for adoption as WG doc ... [20:17:36] (will be repeated on ML) [20:18:33] Chairs - apparent interest not represented in room, and this doc may not be correct venue ... future work ... --> ML [20:19:13] Next presentation: Charlie, on behalf of Raj ... "Issues related to the design choice of IPsec for Mobile IPv6 security" ... draft @ http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-patil-mext-mip6issueswithipsec-00 ... slides at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/mext-5.pdf [20:19:28] (SLide 2) [20:22:03] ___ @ mic [20:22:46] (Slide 3) [20:23:09] (Slide 4) [20:23:57] (Slide 5) [20:25:10] ___ @ mic ... conversation over HW accel ... [20:25:22] Vidya [20:25:43] (Slide 6) [20:25:48] (and thx) [20:27:06] (Slide 7) [20:29:10] (Slide 8) [20:29:21] Hesham at mic ... [20:31:49] Vidya at mic ... [20:32:23] (referencing slide 6) [20:33:39] ____ ... WiMax has a host; MIPv6 sans IPsec/IKEv2 ... [20:35:14] ____ at mic ... solicits feedback, but didn't give name ... email to ML to occur [20:35:22] ((atleast not that I caught)) [20:35:46] Who is talking? [20:36:22] (missed this speaker's name as well) [20:36:54] Lakshminath [20:37:10] (Slide 8) ... (9) ... [20:38:29] Hesham at mic ... disagress with this assumption (from a packet overhead perspective) [20:38:47] Vidya - Also disagrees, and asks can anything else do better? [20:39:16] Julien at mic ... [20:39:45] Marcelo - cuts line (several in queue) [20:39:49] ___ at mic [20:40:08] (Sorry - I meant to say he capped the line ...) [20:40:48] ___ at mic [20:40:56] (Slide 10) [20:41:32] (Slide 11) [20:41:39] this is total nonsense [20:41:59] 4285 is the soln? [20:42:51] Jari ... [20:47:02] Vidya ... [20:50:29] Who is that speaking? [20:50:36] behcet.sarikaya leaves the room [20:50:46] Jari comments while Marcelo calls the conversation ... and I think that was Raj(?) that finished it off ... [20:50:59] Thank you. [20:50:59] Next presentation: Carlos with "Analysis on how to address NEMO RO for Aeronautics Mobile Networks" ... draft @ http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-mext-aero-nemo-ro-sol-analysis-01 ... slides @ http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/mext-7.pdf [20:51:44] (slide = "Document raionale") [20:52:14] (slide = "solution space ... (I)") [20:53:05] (Slide #4, airplane art) [20:54:01] (slide = 8 ... "solution space ... (II)") [20:54:33] (Slide #9) ... [20:55:09] (Slide #10) [20:55:31] (Slide #11) ... questions / comments / what's next? [20:57:01] Next presentation: Mohana with "Tunnel Loops and its Detection" ... draft @ http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ng-intarea-tunnel-loop-00 ... slides @ http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08nov/slides/mext-6.ppt [20:57:38] (Slide 2) [20:57:59] (Slide 3) [20:58:43] (Slide 4) [21:00:56] (Slide 5) [21:01:57] (Slide 6) [21:02:27] (Slide 7) [21:02:52] (Slide 8) [21:02:59] (Slide 9) [21:03:22] (Slide 10) [21:04:21] (Slide 11) [21:04:32] Chairs calling meeting ... [21:04:44] ... questions ... ? [21:05:07] lion leaves the room [21:05:34] lion joins the room [21:05:45] IIUC, Marcelo just said that 3775bis work has addressed this issue ...? [21:05:54] Thanks again to the scribe! 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