[16:27:44] Alan Johnston joins the room [16:28:12] Alan Johnston leaves the room [16:29:16] Alan Johnston joins the room [16:29:57] Alan Johnston leaves the room [16:30:30] Alan Johnston joins the room [16:45:28] brian1lindsay joins the room [17:00:56] Adam Roach joins the room [17:02:49] pkyzivat joins the room [17:03:17] I'm having no luck with the webex connection [17:03:39] The referenced info isn't working for me [17:03:49] I'm having the same problem [17:03:50] JohnElwell joins the room [17:04:09] Dial out worked for me. [17:04:20] Alan: what is the URL you used to connect? [17:04:33] The one in the email asks me to log in. It appears to be some kind of admin interface [17:04:47] same for me [17:05:30] Its the interface for the creator of the conference, to start it [17:05:39] not the url for participants [17:05:50] I used https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=131322857 [17:06:07] That one is asking me for a username and password [17:06:25] Oh, there's a tiny "if you are not the creator of this conference, click here to join" thing [17:06:27] Missed that [17:06:28] Thanks [17:07:10] Cullen joins the room [17:07:34] DeanWIllis joins the room [17:07:36] AdamUzelac joins the room [17:08:12] spencerdawkins joins the room [17:08:17] bernarda joins the room [17:08:25] hey AdamUzelac: Please remind me again how to get to the participant list where I can mute myself [17:08:32] bernarda has set the subject to: MARTINI Virtual Interim: Slides at http://aboba.drizzlehosting.com/MARTINI/Jan-Interim-II/ [17:08:56] @dean - the participant list [17:09:06] in my window, it's lower right corner [17:09:09] Dean: you should ahve a "Meeting Controls" thingy floating around on your screen [17:09:12] then right-click/mute [17:09:25] Click on the thing that looks like three lower-case 'i's [17:09:50] dromasca joins the room [17:10:09] webex does not work for me - asking for a password [17:10:26] can someone send me the url? maybe i got it wrong [17:10:39] Thanks, Adam/Adam! [17:10:49] dromsca: https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=131322857 [17:11:04] Then you need to click on the "if you are not the creator of this conference..." link [17:11:34] And then, Dan, the password is "martini" [17:11:45] this is what i was missing [17:12:11] why "martini"? :-) [17:12:26] I need a drink! [17:13:21] why a password at all :-) [17:14:39] Slides are now uploaded. [17:14:44] AndyHutton joins the room [17:16:23] Hadriel joins the room [17:22:34] dromasca leaves the room [17:26:02] so, in RFC 3261, "responsible" is an exclusive concept. If the PBX is responsible, the SSP isn't [17:29:00] krkiss joins the room [17:29:11] Question: SRV RRs can point to more than one location (with priority). Is that ruled out? [17:30:00] For example, say the SRV RR points to the PBX, but it's offline, so next priority points to the SSP. Who is "responsible" then? [17:32:07] krkiss leaves the room [17:32:11] krkiss joins the room [17:32:20] Well, who got put on the Service-Route as a "service"? We've said that REGISTER magically fixes this, but it really doesn't. [17:35:56] Is anyone else having trouble hearing Keith? [17:36:06] yeah he's quiet [17:38:07] everyone ignores it [17:38:18] ah the tangled web we weave [17:44:13] Cullen leaves the room [17:44:25] Cullen joins the room [17:46:07] AdamUzelac losing interest [17:48:26] was there just a very dynamic change in Bernard's audio in his last comment for anyone else? [17:48:51] Yes, Bernard's audio is doing a strong high-lo thing with his volume for me, too [17:49:02] Rich: I would like to note that we're not talking about "provisioning" here/ We still need provisioning to tell an SSP what phone numbers a PBX is authorized to register and how it should authenticate those registration requests. What we're talking about is "dynamic binding" between the authorized PBX'es identity and its current contact address. [17:50:48] I don't mind using the word B2BUA or Proxy but I hate i when people say "proxy" when they mean B2BUA [17:57:49] whoa - a sense a bit of "Rodney Dangerfield" here from Keith [18:04:03] test [18:04:17] am I here? [18:05:17] +1 Hadriel [18:10:53] Hadriel leaves the room [18:10:53] brian1lindsay leaves the room [18:10:53] DeanWIllis leaves the room [18:10:53] AndyHutton leaves the room [18:10:53] JohnElwell leaves the room [18:10:53] bernarda leaves the room [18:13:21] DeanWIllis joins the room [18:15:43] brian1lindsay joins the room [18:28:28] Hadriel joins the room [18:31:27] JohnElwell joins the room [18:34:34] bernarda joins the room [18:38:14] Since we're running behind schedule... can folks stay on after 11 AM? We seem to recall reserving the virtual room until 11:30 AM. [18:38:35] That way we'll be able to get to Dean & Keith's presentations.... [18:38:40] I can hang. [18:41:14] sure - i knew we'd run over anyway [18:44:10] hmm - not sure I will be able to - will see what I can move [18:52:25] For historic amusement …. On the whole mapping regex discussion and uploading Java program to SSPs …. I seem to recall that several vendors had implemented CPL and it allowed regex and the sort of mapping were discussing. However, this seems irrelevant for the conversation at hand [18:53:12] And some implemented sigcomp, which really DID load a VM program (not a whole VM) [18:56:32] foo joins the room [18:56:59] foo leaves the room [19:25:00] AndyHutton joins the room [19:25:49] Humm: Is it ok to restrict consideration to E.164 URIs? [19:26:20] gruu's? [19:26:36] David: email URIs could still show up in GRUUs... [19:27:14] Adam: Do we do a point solution for E.164 and then consider other things? [19:27:46] Richard's favorite phrase: "Meta-problem" [19:28:10] Hadriel is typing loudly in my brain [19:28:12] Next time we need to play word bingo [19:28:34] sorry forgot mute [19:28:48] don't forget "registrAAAAr" versus "registrEEEEEr" [19:29:00] and "automagically" [19:29:59] Humm: Is the initial focus of MARTINI on E.164? [19:30:05] Do we agree to deliver on a milestone that provides a solution for just the E.164 problem? [19:30:57] Richard Shockey: Yes [19:30:59] agree [19:31:02] Yes [19:31:05] Yes, and if it also solves email-style then we need to reject it! [19:31:09] from Keith Drage to All Participants: No - I want to understand how we deal with private network numbers before we go that far [19:31:09] agree [19:31:15] abstain [19:31:19] Keith Drage: No (info on Webex chat) [19:32:04] What Keith put in webex was from Keith Drage to All Participants: No - I want to understand how we deal with private network numbers before we go that far [19:33:20] Richard: concern about lack of SSPs on the call... [19:34:49] Adam: dialstrings vs. unique TEL URIs.... [19:34:56] Do we agree to deliver on a milestone restricted to non-domain user identifiers that are globally unique? [19:36:16] Richard: E.164 problem is where the pain is... [19:38:20] Do we agree to deliver on a milestone that provides a solution for just the E.164 problem, then move onto other milestones for other subsets of the problem? [19:38:23] We'll have to call the mechanism: Registration of URI's that are Global - RUG (as in the one we're sweeping things under) [19:38:37] ;-) [19:39:33] Cullen: What are the user identities on the PBX that it's trying to inform the SSP about? [19:40:01] ll we need to get GRUU's to work is to convert them to phone numbers, obviously [19:40:45] or have a n entirely different mechanism wherein the SSP mints the GRUU on behalf of the PBX. The GRUU could be scoped to the SSP's domain without difficulty. [19:41:26] @dean - then the responsible domain for the enterprise is the SSP in that model - desired? [19:41:59] It's a hybrid. The SSP is responsible for relay to the PBX, and it "relays" by assigning per-contct GRUUs. [19:42:01] We talked about doing it that way, but each real phone behind the PBX needed unique ID's [19:42:20] Yes, @hadriel. Need a gruu per contact. [19:42:31] So then we talked about having a param/spot for the PBX/phones to add their own extra info (cookie) [19:43:02] no I mean each real phone - one PBX, many phones, only one Registration [19:43:07] yeah, maybe. Or an SSP-gruu to PBX-gruu table. [19:45:04] bernarda leaves the room [19:45:05] Alan Johnston leaves the room [19:45:10] JohnElwell leaves the room [19:45:13] Hadriel leaves the room [19:45:25] AdamUzelac leaves the room [19:47:12] DeanWIllis leaves the room [19:47:18] Adam Roach leaves the room [19:47:23] Cullen leaves the room [19:51:08] AndyHutton leaves the room [21:49:27] spencerdawkins leaves the room [22:19:36] brian1lindsay leaves the room [23:18:52] brian1lindsay joins the room