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Thursday, July 19, 2018< ^ >
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[13:30:58] <francesca> Hi, I am your jabber scribe today, please preface your msg with "mic:" if you want it relayed to the mic
[13:31:35] <francesca> materials for todays session: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/session/lpwan
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[13:37:54] <francesca> Dominique Barthel presenting
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[13:44:55] <francesca> Ana Minaburo presenting
[13:52:24] <francesca> Dominique presenting
[14:01:02] <francesca> Ana presenting
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[14:05:47] <francesca> Dominique presenting
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[14:09:07] <francesca> Laurent Toutain on mic
[14:20:48] <Nicolás Maturana> what are the ECN bits?
[14:21:02] <Nicolás Maturana> I couldn't find that within the draft
[14:21:17] <francesca> is this to be relayed to the mic?
[14:21:54] <Nicolás Maturana> not if somebody here can answer
[14:23:21] <Abdussalam Baryun> no answr from me
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[14:25:57] <Abdussalam Baryun> is the windows a must in the specification?
[14:26:07] <Abdussalam Baryun> my qs to authors
[14:26:47] <Abdussalam Baryun> yes simple better, so full windows,
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[14:30:14] <Abdussalam Baryun> ++++++++++++++++++++
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[14:30:26] <Abdussalam Baryun> the discussion in overlapping
[14:30:35] <Abdussalam Baryun> not sure who speaking
[14:30:42] <Abdussalam Baryun> ++++++++++++++++++++++++
[14:30:54] <Abdussalam Baryun> difficult to understand discussions
[14:30:57] <Abdussalam Baryun> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[14:31:08] <Abdussalam Baryun> please chair control
[14:31:11] <Abdussalam Baryun> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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[14:31:41] <francesca> it is now alex who is speaking
[14:31:52] <francesca> do you want me to state who is speaking?
[14:32:02] <francesca> Pascal now
[14:32:24] <Abdussalam Baryun> I  think that Pascall is makng it difficult
[14:32:46] <Abdussalam Baryun> he interfering without saying his name may be that makes me confuse
[14:33:04] <francesca> Charlie speaking
[14:33:38] <Abdussalam Baryun> but thanks francesca, may be Pascall is the chair so I have no opinion :)
[14:34:08] <francesca> yeah usually chairs don't say their name
[14:34:20] <Abdussalam Baryun> thanks ok
[14:35:25] <francesca> CHarlie
[14:35:58] <Abdussalam Baryun> I agree with charlie commnt
[14:36:20] <francesca> Juan Carlos
[14:37:22] <Patrick Kinney> I also agree with Charlie's point, I have seen it happen many times where an appendix clause is used to justify a position
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[14:39:23] <francesca> Edgar
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[14:43:02] <Abdussalam Baryun> second option better
[14:44:05] <Abdussalam Baryun> take out state machine
[14:44:23] <Patrick Kinney> It is no good to restate protocols within a standard, at the very least the instances need to be defined in a table of precedences
[14:44:25] <Abdussalam Baryun> confusing puting state machine
[14:44:50] <francesca> (reminder: please preface your comments with "mic: " if you want them relayed to the mic)
[14:46:04] <Abdussalam Baryun> mic: agree making it normative but if not take it out totally
[14:46:17] <Abdussalam Baryun> the state machne
[14:46:47] <Abdussalam Baryun> thanks
[14:46:51] <francesca> no problem :)
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[14:47:34] <nicolas sornin> mic. in favor of option 1
[14:47:44] <francesca> ack
[14:50:14] <francesca> (i'll report it after the humming)
[14:50:55] <Patrick Kinney> mic. if the text is to be normative, it must be correct and non-ambiguous, therefore the state machine is not necessary nor warranted
[14:51:12] <Abdussalam Baryun> yes thanks our humm can be report
[14:51:40] <francesca> yes they can but please state the option
[14:51:52] <francesca> patrick ack
[14:51:58] <Abdussalam Baryun> not sure the options
[14:52:05] <Abdussalam Baryun> remindr
[14:52:55] <Abdussalam Baryun> what is 2
[14:53:28] <Abdussalam Baryun> ++++++++++++++++
[14:53:33] <francesca> stating now the options
[14:53:44] <francesca> 1: state machine stays non normative
[14:54:06] <francesca> 2: rewrite text and see if we have state machine or not
[14:54:08] <Abdussalam Baryun> ok option 2
[14:54:11] <francesca> 3: state machine normative
[14:54:19] <nicolas sornin> .mic option1
[14:54:30] <Abdussalam Baryun> mic: 2
[14:54:48] <francesca> ack and ack
[14:55:44] <Patrick Kinney> mic. 2
[14:55:53] <Julien Catalano> mic: option 1
[14:55:58] <francesca> ack
[14:56:45] <francesca> so basically 1 and 3 are close
[14:57:20] <Abdussalam Baryun> yes
[14:57:55] <Abdussalam Baryun> improve the text is best following
[15:02:04] <Abdussalam Baryun> agree with pascall
[15:02:14] <Abdussalam Baryun> ++++++++++++++++++++++
[15:07:39] <Abdussalam Baryun> is he Laurent Toutain
[15:07:49] <Abdussalam Baryun> ??
[15:08:09] <francesca> yes Laurent Toutain presenting now
[15:14:39] <Abdussalam Baryun> we should not avoid MUST, it may be needed
[15:15:10] <Abdussalam Baryun> ok leave for ML
[15:20:57] <francesca> Ricardo you are stuck in the video, I don't know if you can still hear us
[15:21:23] <Meetecho> francesca: our fault
[15:21:32] <Meetecho> the laptop feeding the 2nd screen is frozen
[15:21:34] <Meetecho> coming to fix it
[15:21:46] <Meetecho> Ricardo is still up
[15:26:17] <francesca> thanks Meetecho :)
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[15:31:54] <Abdussalam Baryun> why 7 or why 3 bit why not 4 bit?
[15:33:00] <Abdussalam Baryun> yes we need to rethink it
[15:33:30] <Abdussalam Baryun> +++++++++++++++++++++
[15:34:15] <francesca> Laurent Toutain on mic
[15:37:47] <Abdussalam Baryun> adopt yes
[15:38:12] <Abdussalam Baryun> good work
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[15:47:01] <francesca> Ana speaking
[15:47:56] <francesca> Laurent
[15:48:53] <francesca> Edgar presenting
[15:58:59] <francesca> This is Charlie presenting
[16:02:34] <francesca> meeting is done, over & out :)
[16:02:40] <nicolas sornin> Thank you ! bye  !
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[16:02:44] <Ricardo Andreasen> thank you!!
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[16:03:07] <Nicolás Maturana> thanks to everybody
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