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[00:03:35] <vijay.gurbani> Chair updating WG on agenda and agenda bashing
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[00:04:19] <vijay.gurbani> First presentation -- Stas at mic.
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[00:05:48] <vijay.gurbani> ledbat-congestion adopted as WG earlier.
[00:06:50] <vijay.gurbani> Stas going through background on congestion draft
[00:07:06] PasiS joins the room
[00:08:39] <vijay.gurbani> Slide titled "WG draft out"
[00:09:49] <vijay.gurbani> Slide titled "Non-congestive constraint"
[00:11:32] <vijay.gurbani> Next slide
[00:11:45] <vijay.gurbani> Title: Non-congestive constrained (cont.)
[00:11:59] <vijay.gurbani> next slide -- "Flight size"
[00:15:35] <vijay.gurbani> Next slide -- "Flight size (cont.)"
[00:16:59] <vijay.gurbani> Next slide
[00:17:09] <vijay.gurbani> Title "Flight size implementation status"
[00:17:21] <vijay.gurbani> Nest slide
[00:17:29] <vijay.gurbani> Title "Known doc issues"
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[00:19:48] <vijay.gurbani> Next slide
[00:19:54] <vijay.gurbani> Title "Framing is out of scope"
[00:22:39] <vijay.gurbani> Rich Woundy at mic
[00:27:12] <vijay.gurbani> Lars Eggert at mic
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[00:28:28] <vijay.gurbani> Next slide
[00:28:41] <vijay.gurbani> Title "Latecomer's (non) advantage"
[00:30:45] <vijay.gurbani> Lars Eggert at mic
[00:31:04] <vijay.gurbani> Expressing worriness about this slide
[00:33:16] <vijay.gurbani> Stuart Cheshire at mic
[00:34:59] <vijay.gurbani> Rich @ mic
[00:35:27] <vijay.gurbani> Discussions are ensuing on slide titled "Latecomer's (non) advantage"
[00:35:56] <vijay.gurbani> Lars Eggert @ mic
[00:38:16] <vijay.gurbani> Bob Briscoe @ mic
[00:40:04] <vijay.gurbani> Next slide: Fairness between LEDBAT flows.
[00:45:14] <vijay.gurbani> Andrew ? @ mic
[00:45:15] <vijay.gurbani> Andrew ? @ mic
[00:47:08] <vijay.gurbani> Bob Briscoe @ mic
[00:48:44] <vijay.gurbani> Stuart Chesire @ mic
[00:49:05] <vijay.gurbani> Discussion is on slide "Fairness between LEDBAT flows"
[00:50:37] <vijay.gurbani> Bob Briscoe @ mic
[00:52:22] <vijay.gurbani> next slide
[00:52:32] <vijay.gurbani> Title " Choices of parameter values"
[00:52:40] <vijay.gurbani> Bob Briscoe @ mic
[00:52:54] <vijay.gurbani> Uncomfortable about target delay being < 25ms
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[00:54:03] <vijay.gurbani> Lars Eggert @ mic
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[00:59:24] <vijay.gurbani> Still on "Choice of parameter values" slide
[01:00:08] <vijay.gurbani> Lars Eggert @ mic
[01:01:40] <ewburger> It strikes me that almost all of the parameters are pulled out of thin air...
[01:03:21] <vijay.gurbani> Lars Eggert @ mic again
[01:03:44] <vijay.gurbani> Discussion is going on about whether or not we should put these magic numbers or at least understand why we have chosen these values.
[01:05:39] <vijay.gurbani> Jana Iyengar @ mic
[01:07:53] <vijay.gurbani> Lars @ mic
[01:08:48] <vijay.gurbani> Discussion winding down on "magic values"
[01:08:56] <vijay.gurbani> Andrew ? @ mic
[01:09:15] <vijay.gurbani> Bottom 5 not magic numbers but a consequence of first.  First seems to be a magic number.
[01:10:00] <vijay.gurbani> next slide
[01:10:06] <vijay.gurbani> Title "careful proofreading"
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[01:11:08] <vijay.gurbani> Rich Woundy @ mic
[01:13:50] <vijay.gurbani> Jana @ mic
[01:14:34] <vijay.gurbani> Last slide -- Questions.
[01:17:51] <vijay.gurbani> Lars @ mic
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[01:19:09] <vijay.gurbani> Jana @ mic
[01:19:27] <vijay.gurbani> Lars: Pacing?  Not bursting?
[01:19:31] <vijay.gurbani> Jana: Yes.
[01:20:41] <vijay.gurbani> Bob Briscoe @ mic
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[01:22:26] <vijay.gurbani> Reinaldo Penno presenting TCP Guidelines draft.
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[01:26:03] <vijay.gurbani> Slide titled "Multiple control vs. data connections"
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[01:26:34] <vijay.gurbani> Lars @ mic
[01:29:17] <vijay.gurbani> Next slide -- diffserv
[01:29:25] <vijay.gurbani> Lars @ mic
[01:30:03] <vijay.gurbani> Next slide -- how many connections are needed
[01:31:26] <vijay.gurbani> Next slide - Disad. due to reassembly on top of tcp around the app. layer.
[01:31:49] <vijay.gurbani> next slide -- recommendations
[01:31:56] <vijay.gurbani> Bob Briscoe @ mic
[01:33:21] <vijay.gurbani> next slide - recommendations (REC-3)
[01:34:34] <vijay.gurbani> Jana @ mic
[01:36:14] <vijay.gurbani> Stuart Cheshire @ mic
[01:38:49] <vijay.gurbani> Jana @ mic
[01:41:08] <vijay.gurbani> Jana @ mic
[01:42:20] <vijay.gurbani> Slides going too fast
[01:42:34] <vijay.gurbani> slide on internet explorer
[01:43:13] <vijay.gurbani> slide - concurrent connections
[01:44:52] <vijay.gurbani> Stuart @ mic
[01:47:43] <vijay.gurbani> Bob Briscoe @ mic
[01:49:55] <vijay.gurbani> Slide recommendation REC-4
[01:50:39] <vijay.gurbani> Next slide "To Be Done"
[01:51:41] <vijay.gurbani> Chair asking if this should be adopted as WG document?
[01:51:44] <vijay.gurbani> Hum indicates yes.
[01:51:52] <vijay.gurbani> Jana @ mic
[01:53:52] <vijay.gurbani> Wrap-up by chairs
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[01:56:16] <vijay.gurbani> Meeting adjourned.
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