[04:57:57] rbonica joins the room [05:11:33] marshall joins the room [05:11:49] Discussing the merger of L2 and L3 VPN [05:11:57] Rahoul is against it [05:12:01] Peter is for it [05:12:33] Florin - too much work in L2VPN [05:13:20] Wynn - I don't think we should merge the group [05:14:24] The consensus in the room was certainly not strongly in favor [05:14:51] Stewart : My impression is that L2VPN agendas have been pretty like [05:15:28] L2VPN - Chair # 1 - we have consistently filled a 2 1/2 hour slot [05:15:40] Rahoul - another point [05:16:00] the work we have to do is very contained and conscribed and is maybe a year of work [05:16:09] get the work done and close it down [05:17:12] Ross : There has been some take about virtualization and cloud computing [05:17:21] some might be extensions to L3VPN [05:18:14] Mani from Cisco - I am one of the clouds types [05:18:20] There is potential [05:18:41] l3 and l2 virtualization [05:19:10] Stewart - in terms of workload - we could meet twice when needed [05:19:18] Rahoul - that's a valid concern [05:19:26] that's a potential [05:19:39] they could come, in which case we re-charter [05:21:09] Peter - cloud computing is not exaclty a provider provisioned L3VPN [05:21:15] we would need to recharter [05:21:33] Ice - it is a little premature to talk about closing this down [05:22:20] First presentation - VPN extensions for private cloud [05:22:27] that was Monique above [05:22:39] draft-so-vepc-00.txt [05:23:44] Networks can be Layer 2 or 3, Layer 3 for mobility [05:24:02] problem areas - end ot end customer separation [05:24:53] Today the data center is segregated by application [05:25:52] right now all virtualization in the datacenter is handled by the hypervisor [05:26:26] right now invisible to network and user [05:26:58] but this may not continue to be the place [05:27:37] Colman Ho joins the room [05:27:53] which working group does this belong in ? [05:28:02] Clouds Bof may become a WG [05:28:36] Marshall : Are you asking anything of us ? [05:28:46] Mike : Not at the moment [05:29:01] I am considering forming a Data Center OPS Group in the OPS area [05:29:20] Ross : Some of this clearly belongs in the IETF [05:29:57] It is important one piece of work gets done in the IETF [05:30:27] Monique : I am very pleased to see drafts like this going out [05:30:39] Marshal, could you channnel for me [05:31:08] Ben : Given the discussion we just had, do you think you will need L3VPN enhancements ? [05:31:16] Mike - Too soon to tell [05:31:19] Sure, Ron [05:31:24] Ask / comment away [05:31:27] martini joins the room [05:31:40] Ling / Verizon [05:31:52] we have some high level proposed solutions [05:31:56] there are solutions [05:32:03] multiple ways of doing things [05:32:15] Ron, you need to speak up [05:32:20] there is no line at the mike [05:32:42] How? [05:33:10] You said you wanted me to channel for you [05:33:15] tnx [05:33:44] Ross : My understanding is that OPS doesn't do protocol specifications, but it can do requirements [05:33:56] that's right [05:34:09] sun.weiqiang joins the room [05:34:29] sun.weiqiang leaves the room [05:35:18] Next : 2 level VPNs [05:35:43] CSC MIBs [05:35:53] to supplement rfc 4382 [05:36:15] add a new "Switch Table" line to the MIB [05:36:23] rbonica leaves the room [05:36:28] Next [05:36:34] refine document [05:36:50] is it necessary to update rfc4382 [05:37:15] Thomas I think you misunderstand how the MIB works [05:37:42] This already exists and we had this dscussion (about virtualizing the MIBs) about 5 years ago [05:37:52] I think we made the right decision then [05:40:45] Ben : Given that we have people on the floor saying that the existing MIBs are sufficient and the author's think that they are not, you should get together and work it out [05:41:25] We are adjourned [05:48:59] marshall leaves the room [05:49:35] Colman Ho leaves the room [06:20:13] martini leaves the room [06:28:35] lllmartini joins the room [07:42:27] lllmartini leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [07:42:31] lllmartini joins the room [10:09:50] lllmartini leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [10:10:08] lllmartini joins the room [11:43:39] lllmartini leaves the room [11:46:32] lllmartini joins the room [17:39:15] lllmartini leaves the room [19:16:03] lllmartini joins the room [20:27:04] lllmartini leaves the room [20:31:44] lllmartini joins the room