[02:28:55] silverfox541 leaves the room [05:50:06] jonhardwick joins the room [05:51:57] jonhardwick leaves the room: I'm happy Miranda IM user. Get it at http://miranda-im.org/. [06:40:22] jonhardwick joins the room [07:07:15] martini joins the room [07:07:20] angga joins the room [07:08:46] cdlilj joins the room [07:22:30] tm.morin joins the room [07:24:16] Taki Milionis joins the room [07:25:16] Jabber scribing…. unless someone else was going to do it. [07:25:35] Conversation ongoing about the charter…. [07:32:17] yes, there is interest [07:33:13] there is interest in ip-based L2VPN mechanisms…. [07:36:14] Document authors begin to talk... [07:36:29] Analysis of Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) Deployment [07:36:36] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gu-l2vpn-vpls-analysis-00 [07:42:17] what is the point of this presentation ??? [07:42:39] I was asking myself the same [07:42:51] maybe a history lesson ? [07:42:52] deployment considerations… and a tutorial :) [07:44:01] Ali going to the microphone [07:46:02] Then document those possible solutions, why the look back at what is currently there? [07:46:37] Luca at the mike…. [07:47:20] Channeling please [07:47:37] Repeats the point that a draft is not required. Suggestion that draft is re-written to bring operators opinions on things that need to be improved. [07:47:49] Sasha W... [07:48:11] If operators have issues, then the operator should come. This should be an operator lead draft, if required. [07:48:20] agreed with Luca…. need a broad survey of what operators are deploying [07:50:39] Jena Ho ?? China Telecom…. draft does not give clear answers on what needs to be adopted [07:50:53] no! [07:50:57] of course not ... [07:51:09] just consult your favorite salesman ... [07:52:28] yes [07:52:32] no [07:52:43] yes to one [07:52:45] no to two [07:53:20] Feedback to mailing list.... [07:53:30] IS-IS VPLS [07:53:37] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-l2vpn-vpls-isis-00 Xiaohu Xu (xuxh@huawei.com) [07:54:59] talking too close to the mic [07:55:09] he needs to step away from the mic a bit [07:57:03] Ali at the mike.... [07:58:31] Stop overdriving the mic [07:58:33] PLEASE! [07:58:38] Pure data-centre solution….. should be taken to trill. Ali's point. [07:59:33] How is multicast handled... [07:59:41] ingress replication…. was the response. [07:59:59] Sasha W... [08:00:27] what is proposed? [08:01:52] More comments on the mailing list. [08:02:05] LDP Extensions for Optimized MAC Address Withdrawal in VPLSÉ http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chen-l2vpn-vpls-mac-opt-qualified-00 Ran Chen (chen.ran@zte.com.cn) [08:02:55] ok - noted abotu the microphone - is this too loud as well ? [08:03:02] yes [08:03:30] much better [08:06:59] Ali at the mike... [08:07:58] clarify the problem on the mailing-list…. [08:08:17] BGP MPLS Based Ethernet VPN http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raggarwa-sajassi-l2vpn-evpn-01 Rahul Aggarwal (rahul@juniper.net) [08:11:18] bue joins the room [08:11:18] bue leaves the room [08:14:22] Interest…. Giles says… once the charter is agreed, poll the list. [08:14:36] PBB E-VPN http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sajassi-l2vpn-pbb-evpn-01 Ali Sajassi (sajassi@cisco.com) [08:18:06] bue joins the room [08:18:24] bue leaves the room [08:27:14] well that is fun - the IEEE is finally getting it ! after 30 years they are putting a TTL in ethernet ! :-) [08:29:58] Very useful work….. PBB/VPLS was deployed therefore this is a useful addition. [08:30:19] :) [08:31:02] (channeled Florin) [08:31:04] VPLS Active/Active Multi-homing http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-boutros-l2vpn-vpls-active-active-00.txt Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil@cisco.com) [08:38:36] angga leaves the room [08:41:45] Flori….. useful to look at this. [08:42:34] Wim... [08:42:44] need one solution for this space. [08:43:04] Believes Ali's proposal in more optimised/ [08:44:12] Rahul, [08:44:31] need to define what is VPLS very carefully. [08:46:26] robert rasuz…. responding to rahul. 09:47 introduces hierarchy... [08:47:40] How would label be signalled…. next revision... [08:47:44] Rahul… back... [08:48:12] difficult to see why e-vpn should not be used to address the problem space. [08:48:17] sami boutros.... [08:48:48] data-plane learning is the key difference... [08:50:08] Extension to LDP-VPLS for E-Tree using Two PW http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ram-l2vpn-ldp-vpls-etree-2pw-00 Daniel Cohn (DanielC@orckit.com) [08:52:29] jonhardwick leaves the room: I'm happy Miranda IM user. Get it at http://miranda-im.org/. [08:55:34] Florin.... [08:55:42] add BGP AD for completeness [08:56:23] prefers solution in the next draft….. [08:59:30] Sue… use two labels instead of two PWs/// [09:00:18] Sharon… backward compatibility.... [09:00:26] Hugh_Daniel joins the room [09:03:39] Luca.. concern about PW-ID…. may solve using other parameters… take to list. [09:03:56] What draft? [09:04:00] VPLS PE model for E-Tree Support http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jiang/l2vpn-vpls-pe-etree-03 Yuanlong Jiang (jiangyuanlong@huawei.com) [09:04:38] thx [09:10:43] jonhardwick joins the room [09:12:27] Ali, [09:14:01] Requirement and Framework of VPN-Oriented Cloud Services http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-so-vpn-o-cs-00 Ning So (ning.so@verizonbusiness.com) [09:26:05] As Opsawg chair, I support the chair's statement [09:26:13] please channel that [09:26:19] someone [09:26:29] (luca… closest to mike? [09:26:30] ) [09:26:52] tm.morin leaves the room [09:27:08] too late now [09:27:32] Taki Milionis leaves the room [09:32:38] jonhardwick leaves the room: I'm happy Miranda IM user. Get it at http://miranda-im.org/. 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