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alexamirante has set the subject to: IRTFOPEN @ IETF-112 - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meetin…12/materials/agenda-112-irtfopen-01
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[13:35:56] <jhoyla> Is it just me or is Colin really quiet?
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[13:36:26] <Brian Trammell_web_873> he's coming through OK in the room, at least as heard from the front
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[13:36:49] <jhoyla> Ah, I guess I'm just too far back
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[13:37:16] <Brian Trammell_web_873> will go close the doors....
[13:38:13] <Brian Trammell_web_873> the doors do not seem to be closable
[13:38:15] <Brian Trammell_web_873> :/
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[13:39:53] <Brian Trammell_web_873> if you're in the back of the room and you're having trouble hearing, there's room up front and the audio is better :)
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[13:45:17] <Jana Iyengar_web_647> I can hear Colin quite well, just needed to turn up the volume on my headphones :-)
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[13:49:36] <Mat Ford_web_528> better
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[14:02:53] <Nicolas Kuhn_web_286> I think it is worth pointing out that there are regular solar storms and appart from Starlink accident with very low earth orbit satellites, satellites were fine. do you have pointers to justify the assumptions on satellite to be vulnerable ?
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[14:11:01] <Allison Mankin_web_577> Starlink is increasingly the model, though
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[14:14:28] <Nicolas Kuhn_web_286> Indeed. AFAIK, they did not reach their altitude so were at a very low altitude at the moment of the solar storme
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[14:15:34] <Nicolas Kuhn_web_286> Thanks for the very good job on this interesting topic
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[14:16:51] <Brian Trammell_web_873> +1 this was an extremely interesting talk. lots of things to think about...
[14:17:49] <Allison Mankin_web_577> Wes, do we have island detection?  We might want to mark down persistent lag islands
[14:17:59] <Richard Scheffenegger_web_884> https://planet4589.org/space/stats/star/starstats.html
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[14:18:52] <Brian Trammell_web_873> (e.g., does it make sense to invest in north-south connectivity in the Americas and Eurafrica in order to use low-latitude transoceanic cables for solar storm resilience in the 2050s-2070s...)
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[14:20:15] <Richard Scheffenegger_web_884> Is the impact focussed on the high latitude / sun-facing side? Or are induced currents the same globally (just depending on the inductor loop area)?
[14:21:26] <Nicolas Kuhn_web_286> Thank you for the answer
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[14:22:42] <Wes Hardaker_web_236> Definitely DTN :-)
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[14:23:38] <Aaron Falk_web_975> @Wes, how long until DNSSEC fails on a root server due to cert expiry during a disconnection?
[14:23:39] <Wes Hardaker_web_236> DTN over RFC1149: the only solution.
[14:24:00] <Wes Hardaker_web_236> dig +short +dnssec . soa
a.root-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 2022032200 1800 900 604800 86400
SOA 8 0 86400 20220404050000 20220322040000 9799 . DU0nl/LuxNDehK56i+v0cr7kC6fR/cKFQ/zEejzue7yspY3q2lz5FouB 6forJKyu1766Rb3YbuVGMIh0tTmHdHd6toIElp1IR/F5P6y9lQH9BG3r InRG1FPceie4Ci8oc/9C3ip13Qw2lCAgqMZjR5iLwGqCkNvzZ/V4Y9fr PPJTfYHPr/AVVsPDJYrZmcw3PVflv+KwZDvWQzCZn8BrUuSIaYwpmvMP rG33BHQ8XKKUD0da2pK4VJ8w6Y4QR5YUM4f3A0Z7ibrzzSPrtCQ34pTG LaG+4nrRsSOO7fc2kGZuw27G7yxzAYOhTmgkpTF840q/0YrpEEFZBZcZ +z0+mQ==
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[14:24:22] <Wes Hardaker_web_236> The important bits are the start date of that sig "20220322040000" and the end date "20220404050000"
[14:24:40] <Wes Hardaker_web_236> so 2 weeks
[14:24:42] <Aaron Falk_web_975> so, like 2 weeks?
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[14:24:59] <Wes Hardaker_web_236> Yep, but note that is *just* the root.  You   must consider sigs in the rest of the tree.
[14:25:18] <Wes Hardaker_web_236> com, eg, is shorter: 20220329142434 20220322131434
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[14:35:19] <Duane Wessels_web_305> I would argue that what matters is the SOA Expire parameter.
[14:35:53] <Wes Hardaker_web_236> yes, that too.
[14:36:01] <Wes Hardaker_web_236> I simplified things a lot by reducing just to DNSSEC sigs.
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[14:52:51] <Eliot Lear_web_392> :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
[14:52:57] <Jason Livingood_web_395> Great presentations!
[14:53:30] <Brian Trammell_web_873> +many
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[15:00:16] <Meetecho> AV team on its way for the projector
[15:00:24] <Brian Trammell_web_873> ack
[15:00:43] <Brian Trammell_web_873> it's been a bit flaky
[15:01:14] <Eliot Lear_web_392> colin needs to stop spooling jet engines in his house
[15:01:35] <Meetecho> The projectors in that room have indeed been a bit of a pain all day :(
[15:01:57] <Brian Trammell_web_873> unplugging it at plugging it in again seems to work
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[15:03:04] <Eliot Lear_web_392> :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
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