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[10:21:41] <csperkins> @meetecho A reminder that the IRTF open meeting at 11:00 UTC today has three pre-recorded videos to stream into this room. We’ll be running in the order Bano, Lu, Poese. Thanks!
[10:25:19] <alex-meetecho> got it, thx
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[10:52:34] <Rodney Van Meter> @csperkins I'm happy to do the notes if you haven't identified anyone yet.
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[10:52:50] <csperkins> Thanks, Rod!
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[10:54:17] <Rodney Van Meter> Just Q&amp;A per speaker, and any extemporaneosity from the floor, correct?
[10:54:27] <csperkins> Yup
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[10:55:42] <Rodney Van Meter> n.b. there's a _slight_ (~5%) chance I'll get an urgent phone call re: a funding proposal we are writing, but should be okay.
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[10:59:18] <Rodney Van Meter> you're good
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[10:59:22] <Ingmar Poese> all good
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[10:59:38] <Dirk Hugo> yes we can ;-)
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[11:11:38] <David Oran> no audio on the talk video coming through
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[11:11:43] <Colin Perkins> Checking: is the video working for all?
[11:11:48] <Mallory Knodel> Yes working for me
[11:11:52] <Jonathan Hoyland> I have video and audio
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[11:12:12] <David Oran> weid - I see the slides but neither audio nor video
[11:12:16] <Rodney Van Meter> Working for me, but I had some trouble yesterday that was cleared up by reloading.
[11:12:17] <Simon Hicks> All ok here
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[11:12:21] <Cigdem Sengul> Working audio and video
[11:12:25] <David Lawrence> I have nothing now.
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[11:12:27] <frodek> no video or slides
[11:12:32] <David Lawrence> Well, I have chat.  No a/v.
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[11:12:36] <David Oran> had to reconnect - working now
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[11:13:15] <Robin Wilton> If you see a "reload" button, bottom right of the Meetecho window, that is a good first step to try.
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[11:13:27] <csperkins> Reloading the page usually helps if the video drops out
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[11:14:29] <Simon Hicks> Seems like that on a lot of these systems. A localised break takes you out
[11:14:30] <David Oran> it dropped again , but reloading fixes it, at least temporarily
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[11:14:43] <Peter van Dijk> I have nothing, reloads are not helping
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[11:14:49] <David Lawrence> same
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[11:14:53] <Colin Perkins> It's pretty sensitive to the choice of browser too
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[11:15:06] <David Lawrence> &lt;-- Chrome, which had previously worked fine
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[11:16:05] <Simon Hicks> Chrome on iPad wouldn’t work last week, safari would. Chrome ok today
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[11:16:08] <Peter van Dijk> I switched from Firefox to Chromium and now everything works. I previously noticed that Meetecho in Firefox would die if any other tab was even slightly busy
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[11:16:23] <Chaoyi Lu> refreshed for several times, still no video or audio (using Chrome)... any thoughts?
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[11:17:10] <David Millman> Have slides, no audio now.  Had audio a few minutes ago.
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[11:17:33] <Jonathan Hoyland> @Chaoyi Lu, can you try a different browser?
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[11:17:38] <Colin Perkins> Hard to say: I'm using firefox and its working well; others have problems with that. Try a different browser?
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[11:17:49] <Bing Liu> you need to permit the microphone and the camera.
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[11:18:21] <Peter van Dijk> no, that is not necessary
[11:18:24] <Peter van Dijk> you do get a weird error
[11:18:26] <Peter van Dijk> but it is not necessary
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[11:18:59] <Peter van Dijk> or, more specifically: in Firefox permitting them did not help; in Chromium, everything works now while I did not permit those things :)
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[11:19:17] <Colin Perkins> Chaoyo is speaking, so he should probably permit the microphone :)
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[11:20:04] <frodek> switched to chromium and it works now. No problem with firefox yesterday but today restarting/reloading/re-connecting did not solve anything
[11:20:09] <David Oran> I'm on Safari, and still getting occasion frequent dropouts, but one interesting thing is that the screen still shows 70+kbps of incoming audio and screen. Also related is that if I type in the chat window, as I'm doing now, it tends to provoke a dropout
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[11:20:49] <Dhruv Dhody> https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/Documentation-Meetecho-IETF.pdf
[11:20:50] <David Oran> so it seems to be a client software problem, at least on Safari...
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[11:21:22] <Dhruv Dhody> Check the Meetecho documentation for additional details about specific browsers and extensions.
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[11:22:27] <Jean-Michel Combes> Another room works fine but not this room
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[11:23:43] <alex-meetecho> Jean-Michel Combes: I'm wondering whether this has something to do with this specific video we're streaming, which doesn't come from real camera/mic devices
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[11:27:17] <David Lawrence> a/v just popped back on
[11:27:31] <frodek> Seems there's s a new incompatibility issue with Firefox
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[11:29:37] <Alessandro Amirante> I think Bano refused the permission to access the devices
[11:29:47] <Peter van Dijk> i get an 'MP_NOT_FOUND' message in a red bar every time Banu tries to speak, it looks like
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[11:29:55] <Shehar Bano> How can I enable it?
[11:29:56] <Jonathan Hoyland> Ditto
[11:30:01] <Peter van Dijk> Bano, sorry
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[11:30:07] <Shehar Bano> Ok
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[11:30:46] <Alessandro Amirante> On Chrome, there's a camera icon on the left of addess bar
[11:30:49] <Dirk Kutscher> reload did not solve it for me (running on Brave which worked in other sessions)
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[11:31:14] <Jonathan Hoyland> Yes.
[11:31:14] <Alessandro Amirante> that would allow you to cancel your previous choice
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[11:31:33] <Shehar Bano> Ok I'll answer here
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[11:31:53] <Jonathan Hoyland> If you follow along in Jabber you can see "[NAME] has entered the room" but Meetecho suppresses that info.
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[11:32:08] <Shehar Bano> Thanks for the question. What you mention is the effect of spatial and temporal factors on the results of the scan
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[11:32:35] <Shehar Bano> We did not study those, it's a one-shot scanning mechanism, but it would be interesting to see those aspects as well
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[11:33:19] <Julien Maisonneuve> Love the clock ticking in the back, real sense of time passing
[11:33:20] <Shehar Bano> Hope that answers your question :)
[11:33:30] <Rodney Van Meter> Yes, thanks.
[11:34:11] <Shehar Bano> No we did not do for IPv6
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[11:34:13] <Peter Feil> It looks like you have done the scans for IPv4. Are there any infos for IPv6?
[11:34:15] <Jonathan Hoyland> Surely there are too many addresses in IPv6 for that to be realistic?
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[11:34:42] <Shehar Bano> Full IPv6 scanning is not feasible, but there are sampling based approaches
[11:35:08] <Jonathan Hoyland> How much traffic did you send?
[11:35:25] <Jonathan Hoyland> It must have been a huge upload.
[11:35:27] <Shehar Bano> Overall our scans generated 2.3TB of data over 24 hours period
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[11:35:44] <Shehar Bano> Cannot remember exactly what was the scan bandwidth, but that gives an idea
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[11:35:58] <Jonathan Hoyland> That's received only, or transmitted and received?
[11:36:04] <Shehar Bano> Received
[11:36:24] <Jonathan Hoyland> Cool, thanks :).
[11:36:44] <Shehar Bano> The scan rate was limited to an upper threshold to comply with univertsity bandwidth restriction which I think was 1Gbps, but we used less
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[11:37:15] <Chaoyi Lu> yes, i'm here
[11:38:02] <Cigdem Sengul> @shehar - Great work. About retransmissions - did you have a max retry?
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[11:38:34] <Colin Perkins> @bano nice work – sorry about the AV trouble!
[11:38:35] <Shehar Bano> We sent only 1 retransmission
[11:38:38] <David Lawrence> and pop, a/v disappeared again. work.
[11:38:40] <David Lawrence> weird*
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[11:39:01] <David Lawrence> and the meter is still showing 80-90 kbps
[11:39:03] <Shehar Bano> Thanks Colin  :)
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[11:39:19] <alex-meetecho> David Lawrence: so it definitely has someting to do with the videos we stream statically from file :(
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[11:39:54] <alex-meetecho> do you have any ad-blocker or other extensions that might interfere with video playout?
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[11:40:31] <Colin Perkins> @meetecho a browser incompatibility? Is playing well here.
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[11:41:09] <alex-meetecho> same here, and I'm using chrome, firefox and safari at the same time
[11:41:52] <alex-meetecho> that's why I'm guessing if there could be some browser extension that is interfering
[11:41:56] <David Lawrence> No, ironically on this browser I have no ad blocker installed.  (Ironic because I normally do on others.)
[11:42:27] <David Oran> Me neither, and this gal that is live has no problem, so definitely look into the streaming from files
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[11:43:11] <Andrew Campling> It's working fine for me on Edge with Ghostery and DuckDuckGo privacy extensions.
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[11:44:18] <alex-meetecho> well I can only apologise in this case. you may want to watch the presentation on the youtube channel, it has ~5s delay though
[11:44:30] <Melinda Shore> I'm running Chrome 84.0.4147.89 on Mac OS 10.14.5 and uBlock Origin as my ad blocker, and it's been fine
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[11:45:16] <Andrew Campling> For anyone interested, the ADD working group is meeting on Thursday to consider resolver discovery and selection
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[11:45:54] <Colin Perkins> https://www.youtube.com/user/ietf/ for anyone who needs
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[11:46:51] <David Lawrence> I turned off the only two extensions I have that I could remotely imagine being a problem, reloaded, and still no a/v.
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[11:47:30] <Avri Doria> I am on an iPad, also do not see or hear the video
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[11:48:05] <Meetecho> Avri Doria: Safari on iPad may not support VP8 when used in WebRTC (not 100% sure)
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[11:48:25] <Meetecho> Other browsers (Chrome, Firefox) are not allowed to do WebRTC at all on iOS and iPad
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[11:48:51] <Albert Cabellos> I am on Safari on iPad, no issues so far.
[11:49:06] <Meetecho> Albert Cabellos: ack, I may remember it wrong then!
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[11:49:26] <Meetecho> (possibly this was on a previous OS version?)
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[11:49:41] <Albert Cabellos> No worries, I didn’t talk or present, just listening
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[11:58:28] <Jonathan Hoyland> Really nice talk! Really enjoyed it. Thanks :)
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[11:59:59] <Wes Hardaker(2)> thansk
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[12:01:57] <frodek> (@Meetecho I tested Firefox 68.10.0esr disabling all extension and switching to "standard" privacy protection level. Still the same problem (no problem yesterday)
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[12:03:09] <Peter van Dijk> (my firefox troubles were with 68.10.0esr as well - but i did not try changing any of my settings or disabling extensions)
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[12:04:24] <Jean-Michel Combes> FF is 68.10.0esr too and I solved the issue: just right click on the screen and click "read the video" ... :s
[12:04:47] <Jean-Michel Combes> the video is not launched automatically ...
[12:05:01] <Colin Perkins> It's working with Firefox 78.0.2 for me
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[12:05:12] <Colin Perkins> maybe try a newer version?
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[12:06:51] <Duane Wessels> Neither FF (68.10.0esr) nor Chrome work for me on Mac.
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[12:08:15] <frodek> FF 68.10 is the newest version available for Debian Unstable/SID
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[12:09:57] <Rodney Van Meter> @Chaoyi I missed your answer to Patrick's first question (my mental buffer overflowed).
[12:10:43] <Jonathan Hoyland> @Meetecho weird bug. I lost audio from the chair when my audio was accepted, but I could hear Chaoyi.
[12:10:43] <David Lawrence> Boop.  As anticipated, a/v went away again when the pre-recorded video started
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[12:10:51] <David Oran> Ok - more smoking gun - when the stored video started, my audio cut out.
[12:10:53] <Colin Perkins> If anyone is still having video troubles, please chat with Alex at Meetecho
[12:11:24] <Duane Wessels> Jean-Michel Combes's tip was good.  Right click where the video should be and click 'Play' gets it working for me
[12:11:29] <Chaoyi Lu> @ Rodney Sure. We have the data of DoT providers (~1.2K according to their certificates, as of Jul '20).
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[12:11:52] <alex-meetecho> Jonathan Hoyland: the audio you receive is mixed on the server side, so I don't see how that can happen! :S
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[12:12:10] <Jonathan Hoyland> Gremlins.
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[12:13:09] <David Lawrence> Oh that's interesting, so if I right click in the center I do get a popup that has "Show Controls" as an option.  Pushing play in the resulting window isn't giving me anything though
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[12:16:21] <alex-meetecho> David Lawrence: I'd love to make a dedicated test with you to try to sort this issue out. Don't know from which timezone you're connecting. Do you have any availability that doesn't clashes with IETF sessions?
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[12:21:04] <Peter van Dijk> Alex, if picking a slot with David does not work out, I'm happy to offer my time - I had the same problems as David until I switched browsers, which means I should still be able to reproduce the problem by switching back to Firefox. I'm CEST (UTC+2)
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[12:24:30] <alex-meetecho> Peter van Dijk: thanks! I'll get in touch with you via email. Meanwhile do you mind sharing details on Firefox and OS versions?
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[12:25:52] <Peter van Dijk> 68.10.0esr on Debian 10 amd64. You have my email via my datatracker login I trust?
[12:27:10] <Peter van Dijk> if not, it's not a secret anyway: peter.van.dijk@powerdns.com
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[12:31:53] <David Lawrence> I'm ET.   Free at 14h today
[12:31:56] <David Lawrence> US/Eastern
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[12:36:49] <Jonathan Hoyland> If this system was used in two places, without coordination, might it cause route flapping?
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[12:38:42] <Jonathan Hoyland> Interesting, thanks :)
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[12:40:23] <Rodney Van Meter> Hopefully the log is useful -- any errors spotted can be corrected, I presume, though I'm not positive about the procediure.
[12:40:24] <Ingmar Poese> certainly i would be happy to chat futher. Thanks everyone for listening
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[12:40:39] <Cigdem Sengul> thanks for all the great talks
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