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[01:01:24] stpeter has set the subject to: IRI WG | IETF Note Well applies | http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/minutes
[01:01:33] <Martin Dürst> Hello Peter
[01:01:43] <stpeter> we're going to keep minutes at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/minutes
[01:02:27] <stpeter> in fact we're going to use that as our scratchpad for the meeting
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[01:07:15] <stpeter> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/minutes
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[01:09:07] <cweber> Will there be audio over WebEx?
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[01:09:54] <stpeter> cweber: no, only audio stream
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[01:10:22] <Martin Dürst> so no dial-in?????
[01:10:29] <Martin Dürst> That would really be bad.
[01:10:43] <Tobia Castaldi> you can find a meetecho session at www.meetecho.com/ietf82/iri
[01:10:59] <Tobia Castaldi> just make sure you use a different nickname if you're already in with your jabber client as well
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[01:11:37] <Martin Dürst> ok, thanks Tobia, trying
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[01:12:40] <cweber> Audio link: http://ietf82streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf823.m3u
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[01:13:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> RTSP alternative: rtsp://taipei1.conf.meetecho.com/3330019.sdp (lower quality, lower delay)
[01:13:20] <Tony Hansen> Tony Hansen is online now
[01:13:37] <cweber> Live minutes: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/minutes
[01:13:41] <Martin Dürst> Meetecho session connection seems to be hopelessly slow, tutorial isn't reachable
[01:14:14] <Tony Hansen> the RTSP is almost real time, but 8 kbps instead of 128 kbps
[01:15:07] <Lorenzo Miniero> Martin which problem are you having with it?
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[01:15:27] <Tobia Castaldi> the server we are using is here in Taipei in the NOC room
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[01:16:33] <Martin Dürst> Clicking on Join Meetecho Session for iri at http://ietf82.conf.meetecho.com/, several minutes ago now and nothing happens
[01:16:47] <Martin Dürst> I'm trying to connect from Japan
[01:17:08] <Martin Dürst> http://www.meetecho.com/ietf82/tutorials also isn't reachable
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[01:18:29] <Tobia Castaldi> try this link http://taipei1.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/login.jsp?ietf=iri
[01:19:06] <Tony Hansen> repeat Larry's comments for the mike please
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[01:20:31] <Tobia Castaldi> Martin: if you need only real time audio feed this is the url to open with VLC or the like rtsp://taipei1.conf.meetecho.com/3330019.sdp
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[01:20:55] <Tony Hansen> how do I talk to meetecho?
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[01:21:21] <Tony Hansen> I have the meetecho telephone connection up
[01:21:39] <Martin Dürst> I'm almost there, too
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[01:22:00] <cweber> Tony's slides for 4395bis: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/slides/iri-0.pdf
[01:22:05] <Tony Hansen> what was being said?
[01:22:20] <Martin Dürst> trying audio with Java applet now
[01:22:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Martin doesn't the RTSP stream work for you?
[01:22:42] <sm> Feedback says that you cannot use the meetecho remotely for a presentation as you have not made teh request
[01:22:58] <sm> Is the audio working for you all?
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[01:23:06] <Martin Dürst> I don't know which application could handle RTSP
[01:23:07] <Tony Hansen> I got here more quickly than I thought I would
[01:23:16] <Martin Dürst> my browser didn't know the URI scheme
[01:23:20] <sm> Martin, VLC
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[01:23:24] <Tony Hansen> yes, I am listening
[01:23:49] <marc.blanchet.qc> tony, can you do skype? please give me your skype handle and I'll skype and patch you in.
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[01:24:06] <Martin Dürst> lost connection to meetecho server, now being asked for username/password that I don't have
[01:24:29] <sm> Use your jabber name and you will be registered
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[01:25:31] <Tobia Castaldi> try oening again the link http://taipei1.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/login.jsp?ietf=iri but just make sure you use a different nickname if you're already in with your jabber client as well
[01:26:08] <Martin Dürst> just sent my presentation
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[01:27:02] <Martin Dürst> I have no idea how to make rtsp work
[01:27:27] <Tobia Castaldi> :)
[01:27:28] <Martin Dürst> trying to join meetecho again
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[01:28:44] <Martin Dürst> trying to open http://taipei1.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/login.jsp?ietf=iri link again, but when choosing (3330019) IETF IRI session, I get a long wait
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[01:29:35] <Tobia Castaldi> rtsp://taipei1.conf.meetecho.com/3330019.sdp
[01:29:55] <sm> Martin, download VLC and open that .sdp stream
[01:29:57] <Tobia Castaldi> VLC --> Open Network Stream..
[01:30:02] <=JeffH> URI for etherpad ?
[01:30:13] <marc.blanchet.qc> etherpad: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/minutes
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[01:30:23] <stpeter> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/minutes
[01:30:25] <Martin Dürst> VLC?
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[01:30:37] <Bjoern> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[01:30:41] <Martin Dürst> Is that the Java app that meetecho tried to start?
[01:30:47] <sm> No :-)
[01:30:49] <Bjoern> no, it's a standalone media player.
[01:30:52] <Martin Dürst> ah, thanks
[01:31:01] <Martin Dürst> now downloading VLC
[01:31:26] <tony.l.hansen> has anyone figured out the two-way connection yet? (I missed the last few minutes of jabber)
[01:31:43] <sm> Chair asked you for yoru Skype ID
[01:32:13] <Martin Dürst> skype id is martinduerst
[01:32:30] <Bjoern> http://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/iri@jabber.ietf.org/2011-11-17.html chat logs
[01:32:35] <sm> Tony, send your SkypeID to pete
[01:32:56] <tony.l.hansen> tony.l.hansen
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[01:34:15] <Tobia Castaldi> Presentation stopped
[01:34:38] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 2: Major
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[01:34:46] <Steve Sheng> Steve: I am the scribe for this session, if you have any questions, I will relay it to the mic.
[01:35:01] <Martin Dürst> I can hear RTSP now
[01:35:08] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 3: #70 RFC 2119 language in Section 3
[01:35:10] <Martin Dürst> Can I also use that to talk?
[01:35:41] <Tobia Castaldi> no... it's a passive stream
[01:35:52] <sm> Martin, if you have a question, ask it on Jabber and it will be channeled to the mic
[01:36:01] <Steve Sheng> if you have questions, I can speak to the mic.
[01:36:59] <tony.l.hansen> that's why I said "no change"
[01:37:29] <tony.l.hansen> mike: that's why I said "no change", to not prevent those "less than broad"
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[01:38:17] <cweber> 4395bis slides being discussed: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/slides/iri-0.pdf
[01:39:16] <tony.l.hansen> the request was to make it a MUST -- to prevent those "less than broad"
[01:39:23] <stpeter> right
[01:39:32] <tony.l.hansen> ok
[01:40:28] <stpeter> issue 79
[01:41:02] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 4: #79 Change controller for provisiona
[01:41:40] <tony.l.hansen> mike: is it okay to even to make changes to someone else's registration?
[01:42:01] <tony.l.hansen> or to "ask for changes" ...
[01:44:30] <tony.l.hansen> works for me
[01:46:56] <tony.l.hansen> @michelle - you're not? I'm shocked! Shocked, I say!
[01:47:13] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 5: #97 Provisional schemes de‐ asssign
[01:47:35] <Tobia Castaldi> ..ment
[01:47:51] <tony.l.hansen> mike: want to maintain history for "old cruft",but not remove
[01:48:36] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 6: #98  #98
[01:48:48] <Tobia Castaldi> Registry format
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[01:50:14] <tony.l.hansen> mike: #98, the trac request was to make it more explicit what the format was, such as saying it's made of labels and descriptions, both of which are text
[01:50:56] <tony.l.hansen> mike: which I thought was somewhat nonsensical
[01:51:18] <tony.l.hansen> (or at least that's how I read the trac request)
[01:52:49] <Martin Dürst> mike: I don't think URI/IRI scheme registrations can be made machine-precessable, so I don't see the point here
[01:53:01] <Martin Dürst> This is different from e.g. language tags/subtags
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[01:53:36] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 7: #99 New schemes should make sure 
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[01:53:52] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 8: #100 
[01:54:16] <Tobia Castaldi> Reduce reviewperiod to two weeks?
[01:54:46] <Martin Dürst> I can confirm that IANA has a process for dealing with non-responsiveness of Experts :-(
[01:55:23] <resnick> It includes IANA making ADs be mean to experts. :)
[01:55:24] <stpeter> Martin Dürst: :)
[01:55:43] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 9: #73  Decide on organization‐specifi
[01:55:56] <tony.l.hansen> @psa: don't forget the halo on your smiley when you say that
[01:56:51] <Martin Dürst> Some stuff that comes to experts is very easy. Some other stuff may take a lot of time and concentration.
[01:57:00] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 2: MAJOR #70  #79 #97 #98 #99 #100 #106 RF
[01:57:00] <tony.l.hansen> #73/#106 -- there were conflicting trac requests
[01:57:18] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 10: MINOR #60 #64 #69 #73 #74 #75 #77 #82 #8
[01:57:35] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 9: #73  Decide on organization‐specifi
[01:57:47] <Martin Dürst> I think #73 and #106 should be unified
[01:58:15] <Martin Dürst> Sorry, I didn't see #73 when I created #106
[01:58:57] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 19: #83 Create registration revision fie
[01:59:13] <Tobia Castaldi> ...ld in the template
[01:59:42] <stpeter> Martin Dürst: noted
[02:01:41] <Martin Dürst> closed #106, moved to #73
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[02:02:27] <Martin Dürst> mike: If you don't know anything about security, your security section should be: "Have no clue, use with care!"
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[02:05:01] <Martin Dürst> my audio just dropped out
[02:05:42] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 10: MINOR #60 #64 #69 #73 #74 #75 #77 #82 #8
[02:06:03] <Frank> @martin mp3 still okay in HH,load again
[02:06:06] <Martin Dürst> audio is back
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[02:07:17] <cweber> Martin's slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/slides/iri-3.pdf
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[02:08:04] <stpeter> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html#wg-IRI
[02:08:22] <stpeter> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html#wg-iri
[02:08:24] <Tobia Castaldi> Presentation stopped
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[02:10:08] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 7: Issues Closed Recently
[02:10:42] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 8: Open Issues: Document Status
[02:13:10] <Frank> I'm for STD without LEIRIs :-)
[02:13:21] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 9: Issue #3: verify additional errata repor
[02:14:02] <Bjoern> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/ticket/3
[02:14:09] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 10: Terminology
[02:14:11] <stpeter> Frank: let us know if you want any comments relayed
[02:16:16] <Frank> @stpeter: tnx, martin is aware of my feelings
[02:16:24] <stpeter> Frank: ok
[02:16:26] <Tobia Castaldi> are you guys using the cobrowsing tab in the meetecho interface?
[02:19:16] <Frank> @tobias: good tip, had that in a tab
[02:20:05] <Martin Dürst> my hand is up
[02:20:28] <Tobia Castaldi> I just opened ticket number 5 in the co-browsing tab
[02:21:04] <Tobia Castaldi> and copied it in the text editor too
[02:21:13] <Steve Sheng> Martin, you wish to speak?
[02:21:32] <Martin Dürst> yes
[02:21:43] <stpeter> Martin Dürst: noted
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[02:23:13] <Martin Dürst> What John is talking about is related to bidi, suggets we move it there!
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[02:25:07] <stpeter> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/ticket/5
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[02:28:03] <Martin Dürst> my hand is up
[02:28:27] <Steve Sheng> Noted.
[02:28:32] <Martin Dürst> yone was working on such a document once
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[02:32:02] <Martin Dürst> What John is talking about is related to the bidi document and the comparison document, so I propose we move the discussion there
[02:33:29] <Martin Dürst> URIs aren't "directly comparable", RFC 3986 has a long section on various forms of comparision
[02:36:16] <stpeter> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/charters
[02:37:13] <Martin Dürst> Issue of recognition in plain text and issue of canonicalization/normalization are mostlyorthogonal
[02:38:43] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 11: IRI <-> URI Conversion
[02:39:01] <stpeter> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/ticket/13
[02:41:29] <Tobia Castaldi> meetecho session available at taipei1.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/login.jsp?ietf=iri
[02:41:32] <Tobia Castaldi> make sure you use a different nickname if you're already in with your jabber client as well
[02:42:32] <stpeter> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/ticket/14
[02:44:00] <stpeter> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/ticket/92
[02:44:54] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 12: Character-Related Issues
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[02:47:27] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 13: Character-Related (other)
[02:51:06] <Martin Dürst> my hand is up: This is NOT about IRIs, this is about URIs
[02:51:47] <Steve Sheng> noted
[02:52:22] <Frank> yes, #89 isn't different for IRIs
[02:56:01] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 14: Domain Name Part:
[02:57:59] <stpeter> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6055
[02:59:19] <Frank> +1 for Larry, %-encoding makes only sense together with punycode for old apps not knowing IDNA
[03:00:27] <Martin Dürst> glad we found a problem that's not an IRI problem
[03:02:11] <Martin Dürst> My hand is up:
[03:02:18] <stpeter> Martin Dürst: noted
[03:12:42] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 14: Domain Name Part:
[03:14:24] <Martin Dürst> my hand is up
[03:14:59] <stpeter> noted
[03:16:07] <Andrew Sullivan> This all sounds to me like a vain hope that IRIs are going ever to work reliably with systems that just don't know anything about them. I think the plain fact is that it's not going to. Sometimes, you just have to upgrade.
[03:16:25] stpeter nods to Andrew
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[03:19:45] <Frank> lol
[03:21:27] <Frank> 5890 explains the label length fun
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[03:22:47] <Tobia Castaldi> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-iri-comparison
[03:26:22] <Martin Dürst> I think 'ladder' is slightly less formal than 'nesting equivalences'
[03:26:28] <Martin Dürst> my hand is up
[03:26:32] <Steve Sheng> noted
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[03:31:38] <Tobia Castaldi> bye
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[03:32:23] <Tobia Castaldi> the recordings of this session will be avalaible at www.ietf.org/meeting/82/remote-participation.html#Meetecho
[03:32:33] <Tobia Castaldi> asap :)
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