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[07:19:42] <Martin J. Dürst> Hello Björn、Julian!
[07:20:31] <Julian> Good morning.
[07:20:51] <Martin J. Dürst> Julian, must be very early at you place.
[07:21:50] <Julian> something woke me up, so I'm online (but then, 8am...)
[07:22:08] <Martin J. Dürst> ah, okay, 8am is doable.
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[07:23:36] <Scribe> going through proposed Agenda now
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[07:23:43] <Scribe> (Is anyone in Jabber who cannot hear the audio?)
[07:24:11] <Julian> I can hear it, but maybe the speaker could get a bit closer to the mic
[07:24:12] <Scribe> Now on WG Deliverables
[07:24:27] <Scribe> Now on WG Doc Status 
[07:24:37] <Scribe> Discussing abarth's draft's
[07:24:47] <Scribe> Adam will submit his draft as an I-D when he is ready.
[07:25:18] <Scribe> Back to Proposed Agenda
[07:25:24] <Scribe> Martin, you're next
[07:25:32] <Scribe> skype to martin initiated
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[07:26:07] <Scribe> Can others in the chat hear Martin?
[07:26:13] <Scribe> Julian?
[07:26:19] <Julian> barely
[07:26:35] <Julian> even the chair is hard to hear
[07:26:44] <Scribe> Slide 1 is the title
[07:26:51] <Scribe> Slide 2 is the overview; now on this slide
[07:27:10] <Scribe> Will go through the issues in groups
[07:27:13] <Julian> (better(
[07:27:19] <Scribe> good
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[07:27:27] <Scribe> Now going through background
[07:27:37] <Scribe> Sldie 3
[07:28:10] <Scribe> Draft 3987bis is at -03
[07:28:18] <Scribe> See slide for pointer to trac
[07:28:32] <Scribe> Slide 4, examples
[07:29:18] <Scribe> Now on 5
[07:30:54] <Scribe> Moving on to Slide 6, "Biggest Change"
[07:32:11] <Scribe> Step 1, uniform character encoding (UTF-8), then percent encoding, resulting in an ascii uri
[07:32:34] <Scribe> Now on "Conversion: New"
[07:32:49] <Scribe> decompose, convert, compose
[07:33:50] <Scribe> Advantages to this method:  special cases (ireg-name, query Part), base for APIs
[07:33:58] <Scribe> Slide 9
[07:34:46] <Scribe> big issue: reverse conversion
[07:34:57] <Scribe> no comments
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[07:36:56] <Scribe> What are the advantages to punycode is a must
[07:37:03] <Scribe> (Slide 11)
[07:37:58] <Scribe> Slide 12, disadvantages
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[07:48:09] <Scribe>  (discussion on % encoding ensues)
[07:51:22] <Julian> uh
[07:54:29] <Julian> MIC: I think making some URIs not IRIs would be a bad Bad BAD thing
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[07:54:51] <Scribe> specifically, when a URI is present in the query string
[07:55:18] <Scribe> Julian, I'll get it to the mic
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[08:08:52] <Martin J. Dürst> some big noise, like somebody jumping on a stage
[08:09:09] <司馬 安平> I think that's you :)
[08:15:17] <Martin J. Dürst> URI spec already talks about resolution,...
[08:15:39] <resnick> Martin, you may want to mute when not talking.
[08:15:41] <Martin J. Dürst> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-3.2.2
[08:15:44] <Scribe> Panic or despair, Pete?
[08:15:47] <Martin J. Dürst> I'm muted now
[08:15:51] <resnick> Despair.
[08:15:56] <Martin J. Dürst> still get this strange noise, can't be me.
[08:16:17] <Martin J. Dürst> Just shamelessly pasting:
[08:16:20] <resnick> Yes, it may be Marc's machine.
[08:16:23] <Martin J. Dürst> This specification does not mandate a particular registered name
   lookup technology and therefore does not restrict the syntax of reg-
   name beyond what is necessary for interoperability.  Instead, it
   delegates the issue of registered name syntax conformance to the
   operating system of each application performing URI resolution, and
   that operating system decides what it will allow for the purpose of
   host identification.  A URI resolution implementation might use DNS,
   host tables, yellow pages, NetInfo, WINS, or any other system for
   lookup of registered names.  However, a globally scoped naming
   system, such as DNS fully qualified domain names, is necessary for
   URIs intended to have global scope.  URI producers should use names
   that conform to the DNS syntax, even when use of DNS is not
   immediately apparent, and should limit these names to no more than
   255 characters in length.
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[08:20:27] <Scribe> Sorry, I have failed scribing; we are now on page 13
[08:20:43] <Martin J. Dürst> yes, page 13
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[08:21:50] <Scribe> People are nodding for not mapping; one mapper stands up
[08:22:24] <Martin J. Dürst> who is speaking?
[08:22:47] <司馬 安平> Yoshiro Yoneya
[08:24:05] <Martin J. Dürst> can somebody take a picture and post it to the mailing list?
[08:24:16] <司馬 安平> take a picture of what? :)
[08:24:39] <Martin J. Dürst> I thought Pete was drawing something. If not, please ignore.
[08:24:48] <Scribe> Just gesturing
[08:24:58] <Martin J. Dürst> I see.
[08:25:16] <司馬 安平> resnick: ASCII dot is +U002E -- 2E or not 2E, that is the question!
[08:25:32] <resnick> ;) Thank you.
[08:25:39] <Scribe> rough consensus not to map
[08:26:16] <Scribe> Query part, slide 14
[08:29:31] <Scribe> Now on slide 15
[08:29:43] <Scribe> scheme dependency here http:/https
[08:30:35] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> just more despair :)
[08:30:59] <Scribe> now on slide 16; bugwards compatibility
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[08:32:33] <Scribe> Now on page 17, "HTML5"
[08:33:36] <Scribe> Juampe can you hear the audio?
[08:33:57] <juampe.cerezo> no
[08:34:06] <juampe.cerezo> very fare away
[08:34:15] <Scribe> We're now just moving on to slide 18
[08:34:21] <juampe.cerezo> thnx
[08:34:35] <Scribe> considering the question of whether to put in adam barth's text or keep it in a separate draft
[08:34:54] <Scribe> Do you need a pointer to the audio, or is that not possible in your context
[08:34:56] <Scribe> ?
[08:35:21] <Scribe> Section, appendix, separate draft?
[08:35:32] <juampe.cerezo> no, i will be here just for 10 more minutes
[08:35:37] <Scribe> I see, okay
[08:35:38] <juampe.cerezo> thanks anyway
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[08:37:05] <Scribe> Browser's draft seems to be the locus of discussion
[08:37:28] <Julian> (I lost the audio stream... only me?)
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[08:37:57] <Anne van Kesteren> it is: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-abarth-url-00.txt
[08:37:59] <Scribe> Default is that we do not try to incorporate Adam's text or conclusions until later
[08:38:07] <Scribe> Now on bidi
[08:38:12] <Anne van Kesteren> (since today)
[08:38:14] <Scribe> slide 19
[08:38:23] <Scribe> Thanks Anne
[08:39:08] <Scribe> Martin discussing display issues
[08:39:15] <Scribe> especially with running text
[08:40:28] <Scribe> now on slide 20, bidi iri goals
[08:41:30] <Scribe> now on slide 21
[08:45:24] <Scribe> Now on slide 22; discussing idna2008 bidi
[08:46:47] <Anne van Kesteren> (is there a URL for the slides?)
[08:47:37] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> try http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/slides/iri-0.pptx
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[08:48:04] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> yes now on slide 23 of the above url
[08:48:44] <Anne van Kesteren> pptx? I don't have any office software :/
[08:49:52] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> I can convert if you have a place you want me to send it (email?), but there's only 2 more slides after this one
[08:49:54] <Scribe> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/79/materials.html has a link to pdf as well; do you have an adobe reader?
[08:50:17] <Anne van Kesteren> (ta)
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[08:58:44] <Martin J. Dürst> Hello Anne
[08:59:01] <Anne van Kesteren> hey
[09:04:18] <Scribe> now on weed-out
[09:04:26] <Scribe> slide 24
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[09:09:44] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> it's about 5:10, did you need to leave Ted?
[09:09:58] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> or going to keep scribing?
[09:10:14] <Scribe> Now on IRI reg
[09:10:34] <Scribe> (No, but I'm listed on this draft, so it might be better for someone to take over)
[09:10:55] <Scribe> But we seem to be using audio
[09:11:12] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> I can take over whenever you want
[09:11:29] <Scribe> We're on issue A, slide 2 of issue a
[09:11:32] <Scribe> okay, go ahead
[09:11:36] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> slides at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/slides/iri-2.pdf
[09:11:46] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> now on "I am concerned"  (no slide numbers)
[09:12:14] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> slide: "let's say..."
[09:12:45] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> (5/8 in the pdf)
[09:13:22] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> slide: "Thoughts?"
[09:17:44] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> Ted: how do we tell people doing registrations how to say what's allowed, probably use Unicode codepoints.  Not sure how to craft ABNF excluding private use codepoints without explicitly listing them
[09:19:03] <Martin J. Dürst> ucschar        = %xA0-D7FF / %xF900-FDCF / %xFDF0-FFEF
                  / %x10000-1FFFD / %x20000-2FFFD / %x30000-3FFFD
                  / %x40000-4FFFD / %x50000-5FFFD / %x60000-6FFFD
                  / %x70000-7FFFD / %x80000-8FFFD / %x90000-9FFFD
                  / %xA0000-AFFFD / %xB0000-BFFFD / %xC0000-CFFFD
                  / %xD0000-DFFFD / %xE1000-EFFFD
[09:19:18] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> discussion about whether this is a real use case
[09:20:32] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> Ted: the ucschar stuff above works for me
[09:20:53] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> slide: Issue B (7 in the pdf)
[09:21:35] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> slide: Thoughts? (8)
[09:21:41] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> ( 8 )
[09:22:00] <Anne van Kesteren> fwiw, not all implementations do that for data URLs
[09:22:05] <Anne van Kesteren> e.g. Opera does not
[09:22:26] <Anne van Kesteren> not sure about javascript URLs
[09:22:34] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> no problem including in document, will ask to send text
[09:23:12] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> Martin: lots of issues in the issue tracker that can probably be closed now
[09:23:49] <ɹəlɐɥʇ  əʌɐp> action item: Tony to go through list and close as needed
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