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[15:52:01] <Tommy Pauly_web_853> We'll need a note taker: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-112-ippm
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[16:00:30] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_749> Welcome Marcus!
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[16:01:19] <Lucas Pardue_web_741> :wave:
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[16:05:44] <Martin Duke_web_817> I like the one slide rule; we'll see how it goes
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[16:09:14] <Dhruv Dhody_web_983> What is the font size we are talking about :wink:
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[16:12:53] <Justin Iurman_web_998> To answer Frank's question: no, I did not have time yet for that and I'm not aware of someone doing it right now
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[16:16:26] <Al Morton_web_224> Thanks Frank!
[16:17:34] <Robert Sparks_web_852> I'm getting a lot of distracting audio effects - is it just me?
[16:17:49] <Tommy Pauly_web_853> Yes, there is some feedback
[16:17:59] <Al Morton_web_224> Quiet for me now
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[16:21:21] <Shwetha Bhandari_web_904> could have been my mic, sorry
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[16:39:27] <Martin Duke_web_817> Wait, you're concealing the meaning of the bit from observers?
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[16:42:52] <Massimo Nilo_web_568> @Martin, we are masking the delay value to an external observer. The real value can be calculated only by those who know the Additional Delay
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[16:43:13] <Martin Duke_web_817> So is the intent to coordinate between observer and server?
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[16:45:26] <Massimo Nilo_web_568> Not exactly a coordination. The client and the server will observe the signals, and are quite indipendent
[16:48:13] <Fabio Bulgarella_web_926> The idea is to mask just the RTT e-2-e. All the other meaningful measurements like observer-server rtt and intra-domain measurements (using two probes on-path) are still possible with the hidden delay bit
[16:48:21] <Ike Kunze_web_519> Isn't it rather to conceal the delay between observer and client while still allowing to measure the delay between observer and server (assuming you have a bi-directional view on the traffic)?
[16:48:54] <Martin Duke_web_817> @Fabio thanks
[16:48:58] <Fabio Bulgarella_web_926> exactly
[16:49:26] <Fabio Bulgarella_web_926> @Martin you're welcome
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[17:07:42] <Al Morton_web_224> Thanks Tommy - so say we all (co-authors), I'm sure.
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[17:14:03] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_394> this sounds like the next step from RFC 8337
[17:15:01] <Martin Duke_web_817> So these background connections are downloading arbitrarily large resources?
[17:15:06] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_394> I think RFC 8337 mostly only covers TCP
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[17:15:52] <Al Morton_web_224> MK: 8337 disables the control loop, but respects RTT when trying to measure a target rate...
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[17:22:36] <Lucas Pardue_web_741> no probelm Christoph :)
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[17:28:45] <Massimo Nilo_web_568> It is possible to expand the slides view?
[17:30:11] <Ruediger Geib_web_532> go "full screen"?
[17:30:39] <Massimo Nilo_web_568> Yes, thanks :grin:
[17:30:40] <Lucas Pardue_web_741> share window is a feature :)
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[17:35:39] <Lucas Pardue_web_741> is that RFC 1997? I couldn't here well
[17:35:48] <Martin Duke_web_817> 9097
[17:36:38] <Lucas Pardue_web_741> thnx
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[18:00:34] <Massimo Nilo_web_568> Maybe IMHO ... So much interesting information, for so little time left at the end...
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[18:01:27] <Dhruv Dhody_web_983> And the side meeting is starting NOW!
[18:02:16] <Meetecho> Dhruv: is the plan to use this room for this side meeting?
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[18:02:34] <Dhruv Dhody_web_983> No, they have a zoom for that
[18:02:39] <Meetecho> Ah got it, thx!
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[18:03:55] <Dhruv Dhody_web_983> Side Meeting -- Update on the implementation status of encrypted PDM IPv6 destination options header. ​​https://zoom.us/j/7058470584?pwd=R1JhZ0ROR0l6L2QxazgzWEdINENJdz09
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[18:04:10] <Martin Duke_web_817> Well done Tommy!
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[18:04:49] <Ruediger Geib_web_532> Thanks, Tommy
[18:05:03] <Mirja Kühlewind_web_394> Thx!
[18:05:18] <Adnan Rashid_web_388> thanks all
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[18:05:20] <Al Morton_web_224> Thanks Tommy and all!
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[18:05:23] <Dhruv Dhody_web_983> Bye!
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[18:05:25] <Adnan Rashid_web_388> bye
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