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[18:57:25] <Dhruv Dhody_web_701> settings
[18:57:29] <Dhruv Dhody_web_701> manage slides
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[18:58:40] <Tommy Pauly_web_475> Thanks Dhruv!
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[19:01:50] <Tommy Pauly_web_475> Please let me know if you can help take notes!
[19:02:04] <Tommy Pauly_web_475> https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-111-ippm
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[19:05:06] <Ameya Deshpande_web_251> Hi Tommy, I can try to help with the notes.
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[19:22:34] <Ameya Deshpande_web_251> Btw, please feel free to correct the notes.
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[19:34:11] <Martin Duke_web_649> SGTM.
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[19:49:41] <Ahmed Abdelsalam_web_789> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/materials/slides-111-ippm-simple-two-way-direct-loss-measurement-procedure-00
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[20:21:18] <Martin Duke_web_649> Another way of making my comment: if I'm a sympathetic developer who doesn't want 6-7 different bit marking configurations, what bits should I implement?
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[20:26:31] <Mauro Cociglio_web_729> Fot the delay the delay bit (hidden and normal) in my opinion is the most promising one
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[20:27:06] <Marcus Ihlar_web_156> I don't think the draft answers that question. Spinning up a thread to gain more understanding about the current reluctance to implement/deploy the spin bit could hopefully reduce the number of configurations to consider.
[20:27:19] <Mauro Cociglio_web_729> For the loss there are 2 options. Q bit is the most convenient choice
[20:27:37] <Massimo Nilo_web_699> @Martin, it depends on how many bits can be used. If it's possible to have three you can have both Delay and Loss measurements
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[20:27:59] <Mauro Cociglio_web_729> but coupled with L bit or Rbit is not easy to answer
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[20:29:23] <Mauro Cociglio_web_729> Good idea Marcus
[20:29:26] <Martin Duke_web_649> I am pro-spin bit, but IIUC it's a lack of strong incentives for endpoints, as well as a residual fear that this might compromise privacy in some way
[20:30:26] <Mauro Cociglio_web_729> If the spin bit will be deployed in the next future there is no need to change. If the reluctancy will continue we have to explore the delay bit implementation
[20:30:40] <Martin Duke_web_649> there are many shiny things for QUIC implementers to do, and hard to get attention even for stuff where people see the advantages (like address migration)
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[20:32:37] <Mauro Cociglio_web_729> It would be interesting to understand if the privacy reason is the strong obstacle to the spin bit adoption
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[20:33:14] <Martin Duke_web_649> @Ian Swett might have more insight into this
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[20:34:40] <Nalini Elkins_web_444> I *think* I am ready now
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[20:39:16] <Martin Duke_web_649> there is no silver bullet to pass security but early SECDIR review is your best bet
[20:39:25] <Nalini Elkins_web_444> i am talking
[20:39:47] <Al Morton_web_679> Would we need to adopt the draft to get an early SECDIR review?
[20:40:19] <Martin Duke_web_649> I don't know if that's a rule, but it is less likely to waste the reviewer's time
[20:40:32] <Martin Duke_web_649> I suspect the security specifics are not going to affect our adoption call
[20:41:05] <Martin Duke_web_649> so why not adopt and then request?
[20:41:17] <Nalini Elkins_web_444> Is there a phone number for meetecho?
[20:41:22] <Al Morton_web_679> Right, we all just want a solution that passes muster.
[20:41:35] <Meetecho> Unfortunately no PSTN number, sorry
[20:42:03] <Al Morton_web_679> I hope we can generate enough discussion to warrant adoption!!!
[20:43:58] <Al Morton_web_679> FYI- the feedback messages would be a fork-lift upgrade for any of our existing protocols... and there's history about the OWAMP and TWAMP security...
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[20:49:25] <Mach Chen_web_916> lost audio?
[20:50:11] <Nalini Elkins_web_818> OK.  One more time from a different pc!
[20:50:12] <Mach Chen_web_916> Or just for me?
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[20:55:47] <Mach Chen_web_767> @Rob, fixed by re-connection
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[20:59:57] <Martin Duke_web_649> Nice work, chairs
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[21:00:23] <Al Morton_web_679> Thanks Timmy and Ian
[21:00:23] <Tommaso Pecorella_web_369> Thanks everyone
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[21:00:27] <Yali Wang_web_147> see you
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[21:00:31] <Yali Wang_web_147> thanks
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[21:00:33] <Tommy Pauly_web_475> Thanks to the note takers as well!
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