intarea - Friday, November 14, 2014

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Friday, November 14, 2014< ^ >

marka has set the subject to: INTAREA: Where to Go for Discussion

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[21:58:54] <Lee Howard> We're stalling for a few minutes since other WGs ran late
[21:59:06] <Lee Howard> Suresh starting: Document status
[22:00:24] <Lee Howard> Agenda slide
[22:00:51] <Lee Howard> Ron Bonica approaching the stage
[22:01:05] <Lee Howard> GRE Fragmentation <http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/91/slides/slides-91-intarea-1.pdf>
[22:01:09] <Lee Howard> History
[22:01:21] <Lee Howard> (draft-ietf-intarea-gre-mtu <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-ietf-intarea-gre-mtu>)
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[22:02:39] <Lee Howard> Response to Comments
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[22:03:02] <Lee Howard> Ask
[22:03:30] <Lee Howard> Jen Linkova at mic
[22:04:16] <Lee Howard> reference to History slide again
[22:04:42] <Lee Howard> Suresh
[22:06:06] <Lee Howard> Fred Templin
[22:07:34] <Lee Howard> Pat unidentified
[22:09:02] <Lee Howard> Fred again
[22:09:18] <sureshk> Pat Thaler, Lee
[22:09:31] <Lee Howard> thanks
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[22:10:13] <Dave Thaler> I think http://www.ieee802.org/3/as/public/0607/802.3as_overview.pdf is what Pat was referring to?
[22:10:14] <Lee Howard> Ron talking about GRE IPv6 <http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/91/slides/slides-91-intarea-2.pdf>
[22:10:24] <Lee Howard> draft-pignataro-intarea-gre-ipv6 <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-pignataro-intarea-gre-ipv6>
[22:10:35] <Lee Howard> Probelm Statement
[22:10:39] <Lee Howard> GRE Header slide
[22:11:13] <Lee Howard> IPv6 Delivery Header
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[22:12:00] <Lee Howard> Ask
[22:12:18] <Lee Howard> David Black
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[22:13:30] <Lee Howard> Fred Templin
[22:13:49] <Ted Lemon> gre over udp over ipv4 over layer 9.
[22:14:04] <Lee Howard> over HTTP
[22:14:10] <Lee Howard> in the DNS
[22:14:13] <Ted Lemon> right, over dns tunnels
[22:14:15] <Ted Lemon> jinx!
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[22:14:45] <Ted Lemon> layer 9 signaling is extremely unreliable.
[22:14:58] <Ted Lemon> On the plus side, bandwidth is huge.
[22:15:43] <Lee Howard> Humming for WG adoption, pretty clear yes
[22:16:06] <Lee Howard> draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels>
Tunnels <http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/91/slides/slides-91-intarea-3.pdf>
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[22:16:18] <Lee Howard> Suresh presenting
[22:16:51] <Lee Howard> Bob Hinden
[22:17:00] <iljitsch> Hm, how many GRE headers can you fit in the extra space that IEEE 802.3as provides?
[22:17:05] <Lee Howard> Overview slide
[22:17:27] <Lee Howard> (ooh, with slide numbers, yay!)
[22:17:34] <Lee Howard> Status, slide 3
[22:19:03] <Lee Howard> Brian Haberman
[22:20:15] <Lee Howard> David Black
[22:20:37] <Lee Howard> Ron Bonica
[22:21:34] <Lee Howard> slide 4, Revised organization, as Ron continues
[22:21:36] <Lee Howard> Jim Gettys
[22:22:51] <Lee Howard> Fred Templin
[22:23:27] <Lee Howard> David Black
[22:24:15] <Lee Howard> (re: my earlier complaint at the mic—I do actually know most of the commenters, I just hate when I'm only 80% sure I have the right person, and IETF practice is definitely to state your name when using the mic)
[22:24:50] <Lee Howard> slide 5, Plan
[22:25:24] <Lee Howard> Bumi Kashnamuri?
[22:25:33] <Lee Howard> David Black
[22:26:05] <iljitsch> not sure if routing is the right place to talk about tunnels
[22:26:33] <Lee Howard> Pat Thaler
[22:27:22] <sureshk> Bhumip Khasnabish
[22:27:49] <Lee Howard> thanks
[22:28:10] <Lee Howard> Fred Templin
[22:28:31] <Lee Howard> Pat
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[22:32:09] <Lee Howard> Bill Fenner
[22:33:04] <Lee Howard> Ron Bonica as Incredible Hulk
[22:33:16] <Dave Thaler> bonica SMASH
[22:34:05] <Lee Howard> Tim Sheppard
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[22:36:19] <Lee Howard> Jen Linkova
[22:36:25] <Lee Howard> ops, Fred first
[22:37:16] <Lee Howard> Jen Linkova
[22:38:00] <Lee Howard> Pat
[22:39:12] <Lee Howard> Suresh: bring discussion to list, rather than private discussion?
[22:39:44] <Lee Howard> Ted Lemon: wait for now
[22:40:01] <Lee Howard> Brian Haberman, responsible AD
[22:40:38] <Lee Howard> David Black
[22:41:36] <Lee Howard> Brian: yes, it's a WG doc, bring it to the list
[22:42:27] <Lee Howard> Multi MTU <http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/91/slides/slides-91-intarea-4.pdf>, draft-van-beijnum-multi-mtu-04 <http://tools.ietf.org/html?draft=draft-van-beijnum-multi-mtu-04>
Iljitsch van Beijnum presenting
[22:42:56] <Lee Howard> Presenting from his own laptop, so I can't be certain the slides are the same
[22:43:12] <sureshk> They are the same.
[22:43:15] <Lee Howard> Slide: Ehternet MTU = 1500
[22:43:29] <Lee Howard> yep, just checked. Good, thanks!
[22:43:47] <sureshk> He wanted to show a demo if possible
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[22:43:56] <sureshk> He wanted to show a demo if possible
[22:44:01] <Lee Howard> slide: But...
[22:44:39] <Lee Howard> slide: Jumboframes
[22:45:00] <Lee Howard> slide: IEEE 802.3as
[22:45:11] <Lee Howard> Pat Thaler
[22:47:14] <Lee Howard> Fred
[22:49:25] <Lee Howard> Slide: Big packet advantages
[22:50:10] <Lee Howard> Slide: Disadvantages
[22:50:44] <Lee Howard> Pat
[22:52:22] <Lee Howard> Wes George
[22:52:34] <Lee Howard> Slide: Path MTU Discovery
[22:53:46] <Lee Howard> Slide: Bit errors
[22:54:58] <Lee Howard> Slide: What we need
[22:55:40] <sureshk> That was Fred Templin
[22:55:51] <sureshk> who did not state his name :-)
[22:56:18] <sureshk> That was Pat Thaler
[22:57:14] <Lee Howard> sorry for stepping away for a moment
[22:57:56] <Lee Howard> Andrew MacGregor
[22:58:00] <sureshk> No probs Lee
[22:58:05] <sureshk> I noticed you stepped out
[22:58:35] <Lee Howard> Pat
[23:01:59] <Lee Howard> slide: How?
[23:02:17] <Lee Howard> Tim Sheppard
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[23:03:15] <Lee Howard> Fred Templin
[23:04:16] <Lee Howard> Slide: Packet format
[23:04:23] <Lee Howard> Slide: Probing
[23:04:58] <Lee Howard> Slide: CHanges since -03
[23:05:25] <Lee Howard> Slide: Demo
[23:05:30] <Lee Howard> Slide: Next steps
[23:06:27] <Lee Howard> David Black
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[23:07:57] <sureshk> That RFC is RFC7383 for people who are interested
[23:09:22] <Lee Howard> Wes George
[23:11:12] <Lee Howard> Fred Templin
[23:11:54] <Lee Howard> Pat Thaler
[23:14:20] <Lee Howard> Iljitsch, in case you forgot what his voice sounds like
[23:14:44] <Lee Howard> Fred Templin
[23:15:10] <Lee Howard> Lorenzo Collitti
[23:16:22] <Ted Lemon> Suresh, looks like you managed to fill the time! :)
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[23:18:11] <Lee Howard> Reviewer volunteers: Ron, Fred
[23:18:57] <Lee Howard> Tim Sheppard at mic, finally concedes he will review how it could be broken up
[23:19:06] <Lee Howard> Lorenzo commits to read it.
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