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[16:59:51] <Warren Kumari_web_871> Hullo all. We will bes starting soon!
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[17:01:42] <Warren Kumari_web_871> Geoff, you almost ready?
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[17:01:58] <Geoff Huston_web_859> yup
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[17:03:34] <Tony Li_web_897> We could use more notetakers
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[17:15:06] <Job Snijders_web_580> Has Geoff considered the privacy implications of an ability to perform geographic triangulation based on profiling packet fragment drops?! ;-)
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[17:19:44] <Jeffrey Haas_web_746> https://tools.wordtothewise.com/rfc/rfc7045#section-2.2
[17:20:08] <Jeffrey Haas_web_746> Too many people spent too many years in various places saying "these things are bad, throw them away"
[17:20:19] <Éric Vyncke_web_636> Alas...
[17:22:23] <Joao Damas_web_165> job: yes, and where an experiment might endanger someone (e.g. fetching an .xxx name from a place where those things are frowned upon), we take care to not expose people to it
[17:22:39] <Joao Damas_web_165> other than that things don't go any further than AS level
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[17:28:36] <Toerless Eckert_web_671> will the IEPG slides be published on datatracker ?
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[17:29:41] <Yoshiro Yoneya> I don't think so. They are usually uploaded on IEPG site. I see two slides at this moment.
https://www.iepg.org/2022-03-20-ietf113/
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[17:29:59] <Chris Morrow_web_106> yes, normally they end up as a targz that geoff puts on the iepg.org site.
[17:30:05] <Geoff Huston_web_859> I put the slides up at www.iepg.org - if/when I get em! (hint hint)
[17:30:21] <Jean-Michel Combes_web_422> No more mic
[17:30:28] <Joao Damas_web_165> speaker's mic seems to be out
[17:30:50] <Chris Morrow_web_106> i'm attempting (for geoff) to get the other missing slides in place :)
[17:31:21] <Éric Vyncke_web_636> Is the mike doing better ?
[17:31:28] <Jean-Michel Combes_web_422> works fine
[17:31:28] <Chris Morrow_web_106> better ;)
[17:31:30] <Chris Morrow_web_106> tnx!
[17:31:32] <Joao Damas_web_165> this is good again, yes!
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[17:33:03] <Toerless Eckert_web_671> Yoshiro: thanks. added URL to notes.
[17:33:59] <Warren Kumari_web_871> @Geoff: Mail sent a few hours back :-P
[17:34:24] <Warren Kumari_web_871> Apolgies all for audio fun -- batteries died in both microphoes...
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[17:34:37] <Geoff Huston_web_859> thanks! I'll put em up soonest
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[17:37:50] <Joao Damas_web_165> is it even worth charging the routers if you know the end user is still not going to get the packet?
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[17:39:21] <Éric Vyncke_web_636> Do you hear Ignas ?
[17:39:28] <Tony Li_web_897> Yes
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[17:40:24] <Warren Kumari_web_871> Apolgies again all -- this is the first meeting, and there are still some teething troubles. Also, it is night, so it took some time to find AV people with batteries, etc.
[17:40:44] <Warren Kumari_web_871> It should have occured to me that I need a USB-C adapter, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[17:42:07] <Éric Vyncke_web_580> But you have your timer ;-)
[17:42:29] <Warren Kumari_web_871> I do. It's very cool! Especially if I remember to start it :-P
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[18:11:41] <Éric Vyncke_web_313> "the network doesn't discriminate between good and bad bits"... wasn't it the purpose of the E-bit ?
[18:11:50] <Warren Kumari_web_871> :-P
[18:12:11] <Tony Li_web_897> People aren't using that! :)
[18:12:18] <Éric Vyncke_web_313> :-O
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[18:12:50] <Warren Kumari_web_871> .... but it says "MUST"!!!1111!!! [sob]
[18:15:03] <Jean-Michel Combes_web_960> IAB work as this is impacting IETF's goal to provide an Internet for all?
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[18:22:14] <Geoff Huston_web_859> https://stats.labs.apnic.net/rpki/XA
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[18:23:25] <Chris Morrow_web_106> doesn't cloudflare provide an unsigned and signed prefix set? (as a potential beacon)
[18:23:55] <Geoff Huston_web_859> yes, it does Chris, and it is hosted on their CDN
[18:24:03] <Chris Morrow_web_106> oh :) ok.
[18:24:27] <Geoff Huston_web_859> which means that some of the "noise" from transit behaviours is filtered out
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[18:26:12] <Chris Morrow_web_106> your 2nd table of data, I guess all of the tables have this, "rpki validates" - means that the prefix(es) seen in the table COULD be validated if the originator chose to publish.
Correct? (so 53.17% of NorthAmerican routes COULD be OV validated if published roa existed)
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[18:27:27] <Geoff Huston_web_859> This URL is a count of end users - and the percentages here are the proporition of users who cannot reach a destination when the only way to get there is via an ROV-=invalid route
[18:27:53] <Geoff Huston_web_859> the count of routes is different
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[18:28:38] <Chris Morrow_web_106> OH! ok, that's a different view than I was thinking it was :) thanks!
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[18:33:28] <Jeffrey Haas_web_746> The underlying question is whether a receiver that has a less specific validated origin path has any upstreams that may be using more specifics that aren't validated.  It'd be nice to be able to tell that on your routes that you get what the upstreams' policies are.
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[18:42:36] <Éric Vyncke_web_186> What about large corporations having a /32 (or shorter) from a RIR and injecting sub-prefixes everywhere ?
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[18:43:53] <Éric Vyncke_web_186> (the /32 being IPv6 obviously ;-) )
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[18:50:42] <Jean-Michel Combes_web_960> Thanks for the presentations!
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[18:50:44] <Melchior Aelmans_web_185> thanks all
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