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[12:03:49] <Dirk Hugo_web_384> David you are muted
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[12:04:17] <Eve Schooler_web_433> We are still not hearing you Dave :-(
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[12:04:45] <David Oran_web_346> I'm not muted but can't hear anybody - Dirk - can you start the meeting and I'll reboot?
[12:05:49] <Eve Schooler_web_433> We can hear you now
[12:05:52] <Cenk Gündoğan_web_814> now we can hear you, Dave
[12:06:27] <Cenk Gündoğan_web_814> Did you try the "reconnect audio" button in the bottom right?
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[12:10:14] <Ioannis Psaras_web_208> Lots of echo now
[12:10:30] <Ioannis Psaras_web_208> Dave need to mute?
[12:10:35] <Börje Ohlman_web_900> Dave can you mute?
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[12:10:53] <Marie-Jose Montpetit_web_629> I have a bad echo
[12:10:54] <Ahmed Aldabbagh_web_478> there is a terible echo
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[12:11:19] <Ahmed Aldabbagh_web_478> i really recommend we stop and restart to deal with the echo problem..
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[12:11:35] <Ahmed Aldabbagh_web_478> can those who are not speaking turn off their mic
[12:11:54] <Marie-Jose Montpetit_web_629> I can't take notes today - I am in another meeting starting
[12:11:57] <Ahmed Aldabbagh_web_478> that is better..
[12:12:08] <Ahmed Aldabbagh_web_478> as long as those who are not spekaing have theirmic turned off
[12:12:25] <Cedric Westphal_web_519> i can do it
[12:13:11] <Marie-Jose Montpetit_web_629> @Eve: I just sent you an email about meeting pre-COIN
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[12:17:01] <David Oran_web_615> Sorry for all the system problems here - I should be ok now other than my external keyboard not working
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[12:27:09] <David Oran_web_779> Finally think I've resolved all my problems here. Always happens at the worst times.
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[12:42:07] <David Oran_web_779> q for Yannis: do you need to disentangle the economics of storage versus the economics of delivery? If so, how?
[12:43:13] <David Oran_web_779> q2: when you say who is requesting what - is this just third parties or the stronger property that the storage nodes can't tell who is requesting the data
[12:44:34] <David Oran_web_779> q3: how much of the old P2P stuff do we drag in - e.g. tit-for-tat, do you have to serve storage to use it, etc.
[12:45:24] <Dirk Kutscher_web_909> q4: what is the underlying trust architecture? You mentioned "self-certified names" -- who is certifying them?
[12:45:25] <David Oran_web_779> q4: is there a role for in-network caches all ICN routers? Do they participate in the storage economics or are they separate?
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[12:49:34] <David Oran_web_779> q5: how can this be "permissionless" and still provide strong identity to base trust and authenticity on? Do you go all the way down the blockchain ribbithole?
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[12:51:07] <David Oran_web_779> q5+: is it the weaker property that you don't depend on connecting authentication to a RWI (real world identity)? Without that, how do the economics work?
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[12:53:58] <David Oran_web_779> q6: what additional attack vectors do PITs introduce that aren't already in the FIB? Or in logs like netflow?
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[12:57:49] <David Oran_web_779> q7: what about resilience as an objective function as opposed just to latency?
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[12:59:06] <Kenneth Calvert_web_234> Could you say how this relates to the models in SAIL_DA7 and SAIL_DA8? They looked at the possible relationships (value flow) among CPs, CDNs, access providers, transit providers.
[13:00:29] <David Oran_web_779> q8: do you think Rivet's https://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/Chaffing.txt has a role here?
[13:00:48] <David Oran_web_779> Rivet's->Rivest's
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[13:11:53] <Kenneth Calvert_web_234> I think I got the answer to my question already
[13:11:56] <Georgia Fragkouli_web_625> Maybe you can look at the Proof-of-Personhood construct (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7966966), "a mechanism that binds physical entities to virtual identities in a way that enables accountability while preserving anonymity".
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[13:23:40] <Ioannis Psaras_web_364> Hi Ken, yes, absolutely. Those models are very related and have looked into them. I wouldn't say they cover all potential use-cases, but certainly can be extended :)
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[13:24:52] <Kenneth Calvert_web_234> Thanks Ioannis - I think the privacy aspect is one significant difference, right?
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[13:29:38] <Ioannis Psaras_web_364> Yes, absolutely!
[13:29:40] <David Oran_web_779> q: do we need to solve provenance to make this edge computation/orchestration/data-fusion work?
[13:30:59] <David Oran_web_779> q2: why do you categorize filtering and computation separately? i don't see a difference.
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[13:32:36] <David Oran_web_779> q3: I'm not getting it - you think there's a difference between throwing data away before computing on it as opposed to after? And isn't throwing data away a computation?
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[13:36:59] <Luca Muscariello_web_541> q4:  Dont you thinkg that the discovery problem is valid beyond IoT.  Host automatic configuration in general looks also relevant
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[13:43:45] <David Oran_web_779> q: can i publish a computation?
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[13:44:04] <David Oran_web_779> If so, then is the sub a request to execute the computation?
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[13:44:22] <David Oran_web_779> And how does that differ in any deep way from an acuator?
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[13:45:35] <David Oran_web_779> If that's the case pub-sub is just a way to think about instantiating and executing computations?
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[13:47:30] <Francois Ortolan_web_231> Would be great to have IoT use-case examples of what could be achieved with ICN compared to existing standardized high-level APIs (such as oneM2M)
[13:50:04] <Cedric Westphal_web_227> Dave, you're muted!
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[13:51:06] <Börje Ohlman_web_740> Please remember the ICNRG vBeer after the plenary at 18:30 CET:
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[13:51:14] <Börje Ohlman_web_740> Join Zoom Meeting
https://mit.zoom.us/j/93123421832
[13:51:56] <Ioannis Psaras_web_364> @Borje, is it not 7pm CET? I'll try to join earlier, but not sure I'll make it :(
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[13:52:36] <Ioannis Psaras_web_364> @Dave, I wanted to reply to your questions, but let's follow it up over email.
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