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A: No, have not yet looked at that. [07:25:02] (not always clear what slide is up) [07:25:36] jlcjohn: Ok, I'll try to note changes [07:25:58] any remote participant can ping as well and I'll force an update :) [07:26:16] Current Slide: 14 [07:26:17] Slide 14 [07:27:10] Wolfgang Beck joins the room [07:27:13] is this slide 14? [07:27:23] Wolfgang Beck: Yes [07:27:35] thx [07:28:00] slide 15 [07:30:26] slide 16 [07:30:38] slide 17 [07:40:50] Aaron Falk: So your saying that the I-Ds should state packet/byte behavior - so your saying that researchers should understand what the differences are... TMRG input point A: Absolutely... some of these issues don't come up unless you put it in the light of a particular approach. [07:41:17] AF: Nice RFC to describe the Musts and Shoulds of how you should be specifying congestion control Tim Shepard: If I had one version, couldn't you just figure out the other - or might it not be that simple. - Appreciates the issues that can arise from being able to [07:41:58] Mike Lambrets(??): Works for an ISP. Has users that complain about speed of network. Is the download snow because of X reason? A: Thinks there isan API call to adapt behavior? AF (shout out): Thinks web 100 has that A: Would be nice to have this tuned auto, with an appliance application ML: Yes, it's hard to do manually with Wireshark, etc... A: Yes, it doesn't scale it's a nightmare. (Agrees) A: Some work here, it would be nice to integrate with pcap libraries. [07:43:34] slide 18 [07:43:44] slide 19 [07:43:52] slide 20 [07:44:01] slide 21 [07:45:17] see ledbat this afternoon [07:45:43] Bryan Ford: Likes the results on delay and is an interest area. Not sure if this research group has looked at the detail of if it's possible for a CC algorithm in the wild can realisticly achive a low delay [07:49:03] PasiS joins the room [07:49:41] it depends.. :-) [07:50:28] anyrhine leaves the room [07:53:18] Is there research to locate particular routers that buffer "too much"? [07:53:44] jlcjohn: is that a question for the mic? [07:53:52] why not? [07:54:28] well they've transitioned, I can still ask but it'll break the flow [07:54:46] oh, I see... too much delay... forget it, I'll try to remember to ask the list. [07:54:47] can remote participants add MIC: to there comments if they like it presented [07:55:21] sure, thx for relaying [07:55:26] jlcjohn: yeah it's a bit delayed... sorry for not being able to relay your comment [07:55:35] PasiS leaves the room [07:56:32] Are Bob's slides on materials.html? [07:57:36] just looked, doesn't look like it [07:59:03] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/CapacitySharingArch [07:59:30] Joseph Ishac leaves the room [08:00:48] SwedeMike joins the room [08:06:53] IETF cc design guidelines (e.g. RFC 5033) [08:13:44] belorn leaves the room [08:14:37] belorn joins the room [08:17:54] Joseph Ishac joins the room [08:18:40] MIC: how does Bob intend to measure "congestion volume": e.g. will it correlate with the actual bottleneck location? 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