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[05:32:38] <Yoav Weiss> I'd appreciate if the Client Hints presentation could run fairly early
[05:33:10] <Winston Felix Handte> Hi Yoav and co, I'm your Jabber Scribe today
[05:33:20] <Winston Felix Handte> If you want me to relay, please preface with "mic:"
[05:33:24] <Winston Felix Handte> Should I relay?
[05:34:26] <Yoav Weiss> yes, please
[05:34:31] <Yoav Weiss> :)
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[05:43:25] <Yoav Weiss> here
[05:43:33] <Yoav Weiss> trying to figure out meetecho
[05:43:58] <Bradford Lassey> click the people standing in line at the top
[05:44:16] <Bradford Lassey> fourth icon on the right
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[05:44:25] <Roberto Polli> mic: I'm here
[05:44:35] <Roberto Polli> thre sholuld be Lucas Pardue presenting
[05:44:41] <Roberto Polli> there in Singapore
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[05:46:01] <Roberto Polli> http-signatures is draft-cavage you were speaking before
[05:47:20] <Winston Felix Handte> Roberto, want me to relay any or all of those? (I assume the "I'm here" was relevant when the chairs were figuring out who was going to present?)
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[05:48:19] <Roberto Polli> you assumed well. Not for now thanks :)
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[05:48:34] <Winston Felix Handte> (y)
[05:48:37] <Julian Reschke> mic: we should be clear that POST and PATCH are not special cases; this should be true for all methods
[05:49:19] <Roberto Polli> @Julian: this will be quoted shortly in the slides
[05:49:36] <Julian Reschke> sorry
[05:49:40] <Roberto Polli> :D
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[05:51:29] <Roberto Polli> We contacted the people that inserted those algos in the IANA
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[05:51:54] <Roberto Polli> and got their feedback before changing the IANA table
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[05:58:26] <Jonathan Lennox> Yoav, are you looking to speak to this, or waiting for your preso?
[05:59:09] <Roberto Polli> mic: can I speak
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[05:59:13] <Roberto Polli> ?
[05:59:23] <Yoav Weiss> waiting for my presentation
[06:00:07] <dschinazi@jab.im> Woops pressed too many times...
[06:00:09] <Jonathan Lennox> Roberto, you'll need to get in queue again
[06:00:39] <Roberto Polli> I'll jump after
[06:00:41] <Roberto Polli> :)
[06:04:18] <Julian Reschke> meetecho: can somebody fix the echo from the room?
[06:04:27] <Bradford Lassey> is the echo terrible for anyone else?
[06:04:33] <Alan Frindell> yes
[06:06:30] <Winston Felix Handte> I don't see anyone at the AV desk here. Not sure if there's anyone to bug about this :(
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[06:18:10] <Chris Lemmons> One comment coming...
[06:18:45] <Chris Lemmons> mic: I've read it. I really like the reformulation. I don't see the extensible case in there. I'd like to see a place to put some data about what kind of a hit it was. For example, a hit on disk, ram, or some other place.
[06:19:17] <Chris Lemmons> mic: I'd like to see proxy status to follow suit.
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[06:21:40] <Chris Lemmons> mic: So, if someone adds a code, are they expected to add to this draft themselves? Or who is expected to do that?
[06:21:42] <Roberto Polli> mic: I commented on the issue
[06:22:22] <Roberto Polli> the status message (eg. "bad_request") may change in time
[06:22:24] <Winston Felix Handte> Chris, i think your comment is redundant?
[06:22:33] <Chris Lemmons> Yeah, skip it for now.
[06:22:39] <Chris Lemmons> James got it.
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[06:39:24] <Chris Lemmons> mic: Does anybody use more than 2 digits of precision for qvalues?
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[06:41:00] <Chris Lemmons> mic: I observe that quite recently, we defined some high-resolution times as integer milliseconds. (See the cache-status header.)
[06:41:23] <Chris Lemmons> mic: +1 on fixed point.
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[06:42:23] <Julian Reschke> mic: +1 on fixed point.
[06:42:27] <Pete Resnick> I shouldn't bring up NTP's fixed point, should I?
[06:42:42] <Barry Leiba> naw
[06:42:49] <Chris Lemmons> Hum for fixed point
[06:42:53] <Alan Frindell> hum for fixed point
[06:43:04] <Roberto Polli> hum fixed point
[06:43:16] <Chris Lemmons> mic: It's worth noting that the floating point promonents are mostly out of the room.
[06:43:37] <Pete Resnick> Someone please explain why floating is useful.
[06:44:16] <Julian Reschke> mic: an alternative would be to get rid of it, and define an extension later if needed
[06:44:30] <Barry Leiba> I think the right question is whether those who prefer float can live with fixed.
[06:45:12] <Julian Reschke> mic: qvalue can be sent as 4 digit int
[06:45:20] <Pete Resnick> @barry: Sure, but I don't really understand the use case at all, so it would be nice to hear what the use case is.
[06:46:48] <Julian Reschke> mic: what Mark just said is interesting, as the goals for this spec seem to change from time to time :-)
[06:46:59] <Julian Reschke> so is backporting existing header fields now a goal?
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[06:47:59] <Julian Reschke> mic: because we said last time that the URI type is not needed because backporting was not a goal...
[06:48:13] <Barry Leiba> That would fall out of the question I asked.  If you can't live with fixed… why not, and what would you need?
[06:48:44] <Julian Reschke> ...one of the reasons...
[06:48:48] <Julian Reschke> but yes
[06:56:34] <Dmitri Tikhonov> I've read it
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[06:59:50] <Chris Lemmons> mic: This information is mostly information that the browser already has access to, right? Is this motivated mostly as an end-run around the browser choosing not to provide this information to the client?
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[07:00:53] <Chris Lemmons> mic: And I do assume this header would be listed in the Connection header.
[07:03:10] <Chris Lemmons> mic: It sounds like the browser has explicitly decided that this information isn't data that it wants to provide an API to. I'm not sure an end-run around that decision is advisable without fully understanding the reason browsers are making that decision.
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[07:04:37] <piers@jabb3r.org> It can be obtained at an arbitrary rate with H2+
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[07:05:30] <piers@jabb3r.org> By sending HEAD/OPTIONS requests at required rate
[07:08:06] <piers@jabb3r.org> Yes
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[07:09:29] <piers@jabb3r.org> Server Timing - pretty different
[07:10:30] <Yoav Weiss> ServerTiming enables you to relay that information is a way that is accessible to the client
[07:10:52] <piers@jabb3r.org> Server can calculate send rate and send it in the header
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[07:15:38] <Bradford Lassey> they're definitely middlers
[07:15:43] <Chris Lemmons> Definitely need to adopt middler.
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[07:15:47] <Julian Reschke> mic: should we talk ablout assignment of frame type numbers? (slightly smily face)
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[07:16:47] <Dmitri Tikhonov> Who's speaking now?
[07:16:59] <Alan Frindell> Roberto Peon
[07:17:04] <Dmitri Tikhonov> Merci
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[07:26:45] <Alan Frindell> +1 interested
[07:26:45] <Chris Lemmons> Hand up
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[07:27:36] <Bradford Lassey> mic^
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[07:27:43] <Roberto Polli> bye!
[07:27:46] <Bradford Lassey> ehh... nevermind
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[07:28:01] <Chris Lemmons> Thank you much to the jabber relay!
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[07:28:09] <Roberto Polli> ^ :clap:
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