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Tuesday, November 6, 2018< ^ >
Martin Thomson has set the subject to: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/materials/agenda-102-httpbis/ and slides https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/session/httpbis
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[02:03:46] <dschinazi@xmpp.jp> Hello, I will be Jabber scribe today. Please type "mic: " followed by your comment if you'd like me to relay at the microphone
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[02:11:15] <Roy Fielding> A typical host has three or so different HTTP servers. (See CUPS).
[02:11:35] <Roy Fielding> https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_semantics_02_to_03.htmlhttps://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_messaging_02_to_03.html https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_cache_02_to_03.html
[02:11:59] <Roy Fielding> https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_semantics_02_to_03.html
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[02:12:13] <Roy Fielding> https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_messaging_02_to_03.html
[02:12:22] <Roy Fielding> https://httpwg.org/http-core/diffs/diff_cache_02_to_03.html
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[02:12:42] <Roy Fielding> (I love having to learn a new IRC client for every meeting.)
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[02:13:15] <Julian Reschke> test
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[02:15:40] <Julian Reschke> hello
[02:16:05] <Roy Fielding> correct
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[02:17:41] <Roy Fielding> I work best when everyone else sleeps.
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[02:19:32] <Roy Fielding> It's much harder to say that quoted form is an error (invalidating past valid implementations) than it is to say SHOULD NOT
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[02:23:26] <Julian Reschke> my theory is that parsers that fail on this will fail on other thinggs as well
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[02:33:20] <resnick> Email uses “header section”, FWIW.
[02:33:40] <Roy Fielding> yay, a bigger shed
[02:34:04] <resnick> Red…no blue….Ahhhhhhhhh…….
[02:34:06] <Julian Reschke> me
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[02:34:47] <resnick> I do not care.
[02:35:29] <resnick> In 5322:
      Note: Common parlance and earlier versions of this specification
      use the term "header" to either refer to the entire header section
      or to refer to an individual header field.  To avoid ambiguity,
      this document does not use the terms "header" or "headers" in
      isolation, but instead always uses "header field" to refer to the
      individual field and "header section" to refer to the entire
      collection.
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[02:37:03] <Roy Fielding> right, we do need to find a way to clarify when we are talking about fields after parsing a message as opposed to individual field values/lines/whatever.
[02:37:39] <resnick> http doesn’t fold headers, correct?
[02:37:47] <blassey> should we have a tag for "needs list discuss"?
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[02:38:07] <resnick> (i.e., there’s no ambiguity between “line” and “entire field”?)
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[02:41:30] <Roy Fielding> +1 on HTTP header registry ... should we also talk about reorganizing the IANA registries in general?
[02:41:51] <dschinazi@xmpp.jp> Reminder: please say "mic: " if you'd like me to relay
[02:42:11] <dschinazi@xmpp.jp> Otherwise mnot seems to be doing my job very well :D
[02:42:43] <Julian Reschke> as long as IANA can redirect properly from old to new...
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[02:44:03] <resnick> You just have to make them aware that you want the links to remain stable. They may or may not do that for everything now.
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[02:44:19] <resnick> It shouldn’t be a big deal one way or the other.
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[02:44:52] <Roy Fielding> good to have a new issue just to track our commits
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[02:50:31] <Roy Fielding> This is actually defined by RFC3986
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[02:54:51] <Roy Fielding> waiting
[03:00:31] <dschinazi@xmpp.jp> For those remote a cell phone went off with pop music
[03:00:41] <dschinazi@xmpp.jp> Hilarity ensued
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[03:04:25] <Roy Fielding> yep, underscore be bad
[03:05:09] <Roy Fielding> and fields that begin with HTTP-
[03:05:15] <Thomas Peterson> +, it's the new X-.
[03:06:22] <Thomas Peterson> Someone, somewhere is going to rewrite all their headers to be morse code.
[03:08:32] <Roy Fielding> sounds fine
[03:09:46] <Roy Fielding> Perhaps constrain registry and SHOULD NOT send other but MAY accept bad?
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[03:16:36] <Roy Fielding> Since none of the standard fields use bad characters, things like mod_security usually just delete the bad field.
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[03:23:37] <mnot> yes
[03:23:42] <Meetecho> (y)
[03:23:58] <Roy Fielding> oh, my, a nanny bot
[03:24:07] <Meetecho> Not a bot :D
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[03:42:06] <resnick> Sec consideration or priv consideration or ….
[03:42:16] <resnick> Can make it a section anywhere.
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[03:44:43] <Julian Reschke> same here
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[03:46:06] <Roy Fielding> The concern has always been a body that is being writen on one end while being served on the other.
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