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Wednesday, July 18, 2018< ^ >
Martin Thomson has set the subject to: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/materials/agenda-102-httpbis/ and slides https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/session/httpbis
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[17:37:06] <mnot> Can remote people hear OK?
[17:37:22] <Julian Reschke> slightly worse than today
[17:37:24] <Rolf E. Sonneveld> audio quality is a bit poor
[17:37:27] <Julian Reschke> but good enough
[17:37:38] <Rolf E. Sonneveld> Agree
[17:37:41] <Julian Reschke> maybe the microphone?
[17:37:42] <mnot> Hm. He’s standing pretty close to the mic, and it’s clear in the room
[17:38:05] <mnot> Meetecho, we’re hearing that audio quality isn’t great, but the in-room audio is fine. Investigate?
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[17:38:43] <Meetecho> mnot: we know, unfortunately the Laurier room has been bugging us all week, coming to check again
[17:38:49] <mnot> Ah
[17:38:51] <mnot> thx
[17:38:51] <Adam Roach> Hi! I'm the jabber scribe.
Please @ me if you want me to take a comment to the mic.
[17:39:00] <Meetecho> Thx for the heads up!
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[17:40:24] <Lucas Pardue> quic v2 is H/3?
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[17:41:19] <Meetecho> Is the audio better now?
[17:41:37] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I don't think so, but I'm not in the best listening conditions
[17:41:49] <Rolf E. Sonneveld> Yes, I think so
[17:41:55] <Julian Reschke> might be a bit better
[17:41:56] <Dmitri Tikhonov> It seem s better.  We;ll know when Mike speaks again
[17:42:02] <Rolf E. Sonneveld> I mean, it's slightly better
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[17:43:47] <Dmitri Tikhonov> Yes, Mike's mic sounds better now
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[17:44:18] <Dmitri Tikhonov> The floor speakers, on the other hand, could speak up a bit.
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[17:45:31] <Lucas Pardue> mic: how does this relate to priority hints work in WICG?
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[17:46:09] <Alan Frindell> +1 what eric said
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[17:47:37] <Julian Reschke> now it's too loud :-)
[17:48:02] <Adam Roach> Well, I'm both loud *and* close. :)
[17:48:13] <Lucas Pardue> thnx
[17:48:50] <Adam Roach> 👍
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[17:59:50] <Roy Fielding> yes, it will be done before quic
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[18:01:21] <Julian Reschke> https://github.com/httpwg/http-core
[18:02:27] <Jeffrey Yasskin> +1 <3 the folks who did this.
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[18:07:09] <Roy Fielding> kicking stuff out is much harder because it requires entire scope of HTTP use be considered
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[18:09:10] <Roy Fielding> which issue ?
[18:09:21] <Adam Roach> 74
[18:09:42] <Adam Roach> ("Are headers always defined using ABNF?")
[18:09:50] <Roy Fielding> https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Adiscuss
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[18:13:18] <Julian Reschke> https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/74
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[18:20:28] <Roy Fielding> no-store only means persistence -- no-cache means route around the cache
[18:20:49] <Jeffrey Yasskin> It's not quite "single use".
[18:20:52] <Roy Fielding> of course, any cache can choose to route around itself
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[18:26:53] <Roy Fielding> no idea
[18:28:27] <Roy Fielding> yes, I would prefer that all standard meanings of the same field name be defined in one place
[18:28:45] <Roy Fielding> so, +1 to incorporate
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[18:29:53] <Roy Fielding> I don't know about adding a new meaning for Accept
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[18:31:27] <Julian Reschke> +1 on better guidance- sounds like an editorial issue
[18:31:30] <Roy Fielding> We can't deprecate it. We can explain that it isn't useful.
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[18:37:17] <Julian Reschke> mic: maybe something for bcp56bis?
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[18:43:24] <Roy Fielding> extending a given name to have meaning where it never had meaning before might be okay; changing its meaning in a context where it had meaning before should be forbidden IETF-wide
[18:47:28] <Julian Reschke> sound quality going down again
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[18:49:50] <Roy Fielding> https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/38
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[18:50:24] <Roy Fielding> I guess Martin is talking about 42?
[18:51:33] <Roy Fielding> Right, we didn't have guidance because auto-redirecting used to be a configuration issue, not HTTP
[18:51:54] <Roy Fielding> worth trying
[18:52:29] <Roy Fielding> https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/42
[18:52:49] <Roy Fielding> "it seemed like a good idea at the time"
[18:54:00] <Roy Fielding> (applies to everything about MIME being used by HTTP)
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[18:54:25] <Lucas Pardue> +1 MT
[18:55:25] <nygren > alas, https://http.cat/ only has response codes and not headers.
[18:56:12] <Roy Fielding> strictly speaking, it's an IANA instruction, but those instructions are in some other RFC
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[18:57:39] <Roy Fielding> [mic] Apache httpd would prefer to reduce the syntax
[18:57:50] <Julian Reschke> mic: could be done in a new registration procedure :-)
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