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rsalz has set the subject to: HTTP-BIS at IETF-96, FRIDAY MORNING
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[04:26:28] Julian Reschke has set the subject to: HTTP-BIS at IETF-97, TUESDAY AFTERNOON
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[04:30:06] <Carsten Bormann> Please prefix questions or comments for the microphone with mic:
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[04:34:14] <resnick> Which draft was moved to Thu? OS?
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[04:34:55] <resnick> Is anyone other than the minute taker paying attention?
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[04:35:15] <Lucas Pardue> draft-bishop-httpbis-http2-additional-certs
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[04:35:25] <resnick> Thanks. :-)
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[04:36:07] <Carsten Bormann> Cache Digests.
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[04:44:29] <resnick> The minute taker would not mind at all if others joined him in the Etherpad to make sure that his notes are sane. http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-97-httpbis?useMonospaceFont=true
[04:44:56] <resnick> Who is the speaker?
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[04:45:45] <JeffH> mnot was last @mic
[04:45:52] <Carsten Bormann> Mike Bishop before him?
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[04:49:15] <JeffH> yes IIRC mike bishop was one before mnot
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[04:53:17] <resnick> Did Mike offer to work on it?
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[04:53:38] <Carsten Bormann> My notes: Mike Bishop MS: PUSH is not very viable without this; frankly I don't
have time to invest in an implementation.  Experimental not a bad idea.
[04:54:44] <Erik Nygren_6465> yes
[04:55:52] <Erik Nygren_6465> mic: It really depends on what the default in.  (ie, allowing the origin to opt-in to mixed resource with origin frame is fine.)
[04:56:05] <Erik Nygren_6465> mic: security is the concern
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[04:57:29] <Erik Nygren_6465> mic: I only see the ORIGIN frame being a good option to address the security concerns before the client tries to mix.  Otherwise it is opening up a risk/exposure until the server says "ok to mix".
[05:00:14] <Erik Nygren_6465> mic: I think ORIGIN frame, .wk, and a SETTING are all fine ways to allow servers to indicate that it is OK to mix schemes.
[05:00:49] <Martin Thomson> erik: are any of those sufficient?
[05:01:10] <Erik Nygren_6465> any of those are sufficient as long as it is opt-in from the server.
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[05:02:17] <Erik Nygren_6465> (apologies for the low bandwidth channel from my fingers)
[05:02:20] <Martin Thomson> OK, so, the question is whether seeing [ "http://example.com" ] is sufficient to mix "http://example.com" and https://example.com, or whether you need to see [ "http://example.com", "https://example.com" ] ???
[05:03:53] <Erik Nygren_6465> I'm not sure how you signal "oppsec is fine, just use one scheme per connection" with that.
[05:04:40] <Erik Nygren_6465> I guess requiring the latter to mix schemes on a connection would do that.
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[05:05:49] <Erik Nygren_6465> (ie, if only [ "http://example.com" ] is seen then https shouldn't be mixed into the same connection.  but if [ "http://example.com", "https://example.com" ] is present then mixing is fine for that combination.
[05:06:06] <mnot> PHK - are you set up to remote present (i.e., video / audio)?
[05:06:22] <Carsten Bormann> Poul-Henning Kamp: ?
[05:06:27] <mnot> y
[05:07:42] <Meetecho> Poul-Henning Kamp made the self test and it went fine, so he should be able to present today
[05:07:58] <Meetecho> he's using a mobile device, though, so he may not be seeing the chat as it's a bit hidden in that version of the UI
[05:08:09] <Meetecho> better mention him directly via audio
[05:08:09] <mnot> OK, thx
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[05:13:22] <Alex Amirante> He should first click on the chat icon and then he will find the controls to unmute himself.
[05:13:39] <Alex Amirante> Please say this at the mike
[05:14:13] <Meetecho> chat icon = balloon icon in the lower right of his UI
[05:16:09] <mnot> meetecho: louder, please
[05:16:32] <Meetecho> he's low in meetecho too
[05:16:42] <Meetecho> maybe he should try speaking closer to the mic
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[05:16:50] <Meetecho> we'll send someone to increase the level in the mixer
[05:16:52] <resnick> Minute taker is not able to follow. Please speak louder.
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[05:17:43] <resnick> Is the chap at the back of the room AV?
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[05:18:38] <hildjj> … and this is the point where everyone expects me to say "CBOR"
[05:18:44] <resnick> Some assistance in the minutes on what PHK said would be appreciated.
[05:19:10] <resnick> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-97-httpbis?useMonospaceFont=true
[05:19:42] <hildjj> … and this is the point where everyone expects me to say "CDDL"
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[05:23:57] <Meetecho> is Poul's audio better in the room now?
[05:24:13] <Carsten Bormann> Meetecho: Yes
[05:24:15] <resnick> It’s louder. Still a bit muddy.
[05:24:27] <resnick> Don’t know that there’s much to do about that.
[05:24:39] <Carsten Bormann> hildjj: You didn't say "mic" :-)
[05:24:48] <hildjj> Carsten.  I'm in the room now
[05:24:52] <Meetecho> resnick: afraid not, as his volume is a bit low itself
[05:24:53] <Carsten Bormann> :-)
[05:25:47] <Roy Fielding> 🙈🙉🙊
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[05:38:00] <Roy Fielding> mic: I have difficulty with abstract and unproven syntax being used as a future protocol guideline
[05:38:38] <Roy Fielding> mic: But I see no reason not to explore various alternatives as experimental work.
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[05:42:50] <resnick> Minutes taker again begs assistance in Etherpad http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-97-httpbis?useMonospaceFont=true
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[05:49:49] <nygren > mic:  given the oppsec discussion, we might need separate settings for each of  "allow_mixed_scheme" and "do_not_allow_mixed_origins" (since they have different details).  Still on the fence SETTINGS vs the more complex ORIGIN frame.
[05:51:40] <Erik Nygren_6465> sorry, defaults.
[05:55:51] <Erik Nygren_6465> mic:  yeah, makes sense.
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[06:20:45] <resnick> How many hands was that?
[06:20:56] <resnick> Did Patrick say “5 or 6”?
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