httpbis - Monday, July 18, 2016

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Monday, July 18, 2016< ^ >

Yoav Nir has set the subject to: https://tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/agenda?item=agenda-94-httpbis.html

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[11:09:20] <Chaals> \o/ worky!
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[12:01:08] <Chaals> your jabber scribe is chaals.
[12:01:20] <Chaals> who isn't sure where the etherpad is :(
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[12:02:29] <Chaals> minutes: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/ietf96-httpbis
[12:03:20] wseltzer@jabber.org has set the subject to: https://tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/agenda?item=agenda-94-httpbis.html
[12:03:37] wseltzer@jabber.org has set the subject to: https://tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/agenda?item=agenda-96-httpbis.html
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[12:05:58] Chaals believes that people are following the minutes, and will ask here for clarifications. If that doesn't match your expectation of a jabber scribe, please tell me how…
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[12:06:36] Chaals has set the subject to: https://tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/agenda?item=agenda-96-httpbis.html - minutes at http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/ietf96-httpbis
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[12:08:18] <Walter Jontofsohn> hummmmm
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[12:22:17] <fielding> mic: for hints, not sure that security considerations are adequate
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[12:23:19] <fielding> mic: client hints reveal a lot more tracking info than noted by spec, because many sites don't allow embedded javascript in subframes.
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[12:24:05] <fielding> sure
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[12:39:29] <Jonathan Lennox> How close are we to reinventing ASN.1?
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[12:41:41] <mswimmer> ... or Turtle
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[12:43:57] <fielding> I like reinventing ASN.1
[12:44:07] Chaals thinks we're not at all close - until we realise that we ran away from it in a big wide arc and it's a microsecond away…
[12:44:21] <Stefan Eissing> :-D
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[12:44:45] wseltzer@jabber.org sees the convention MIC: for on-mic, everything else off-mic
[12:45:13] <fielding> chaal: yep, everything not prefixed by mic can be ignored
[12:45:49] <fielding> (and I can't type at 5:45am my time)
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[12:51:45] <Stefan Eissing> I think we need some experimental number which always has N chars identifier at start of payload
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[12:54:19] <nygren > did we need to go through issues list for OppSec? (only one, but I think we skipped over)
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[12:57:38] <fielding> mic: Mark, please add more information in tools.ietf to point contributors toward the github page for issues and then add some instructions to the github page on issues to explain how to assign them to specific drafts.
[13:01:09] <fielding> mic: immutable should just override older things like max-age, since that allows non-deploying clients to interpret the max-age as normal. This is the design of cache-control.
[13:03:00] Chaals thought that was why they paid you the big bucks, Mark…
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[13:09:51] <fielding> Not really a change in semantics -- just a new interpretation of syntax that is not currently used in practice. So, it might break things, but isn't changing things. ;-)
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[13:11:47] <wseltzer@jabber.org> :)
[13:12:17] <craigt> wseltzer: do you need that channeled to the mic ;)
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[13:17:41] <fielding> julian: assuming you mean dynamically content-encode (not TE), we can do that -- the problem is just that most people implement it wrong. I.e., they read X bytes and then encode it, rather than generating an entire representation and then send X bytes of it.
[13:18:12] <Julian Reschke> fielding: and then they use the same etag for both variants :-)
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[13:24:06] <Kyle Rose> So it sounds like a client needs to offer a nonce anyway for all unsafe requests (POST, DELETE, PUT) for de-duplication purposes, making the separate API mostly just added complexity. Interesting.
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