httpbis - Wednesday, November 12, 2014

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Julian has set the subject to: https://github.com/httpwg/wg-materials/blob/gh-pages/ietf90/agenda.md

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[00:07:43] <Ben Kaduk> Maybe it's a SMLIP-up?
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[00:14:56] <Craig Taylor> I've always preferred, "remove things I know to be broken; pref things I can scale for"
[00:15:16] <Craig Taylor> i.e. I agree, It's how many of us inplement
[00:15:30] <Craig Taylor> s/implement/deploy/
[00:19:10] <Ben Kaduk> "We have a love/hate relationship with TLS ciphersuites"
[00:21:39] <mikebel> no
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[00:30:06] <mikebel> +1
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[00:34:41] <Craig Taylor> "As a deployment requirement with TLS1.2 the goal is that it's fixed"
[00:34:44] <Craig Taylor> black black
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[00:38:09] <ilari.liusvaara> It isn't hard to define AEAD cipher that is bad. We are just trusting TLS WG not to. :-)
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[00:41:17] <ilari.liusvaara> And regarding stream ciphers in TLS, the only thing I think is wrong with those are that the ciphers are bad.
[00:41:26] <ilari.liusvaara> (NULL and RC4)
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[00:53:16] <Craig Taylor> Simply mandating TLSv1.2 and listing black or white list as BCP for operators?
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[00:54:08] <Craig Taylor> Assuming TLS1.2 we can generaly trust that the newer, less exploitable cipher suites are present, and negotiated..
[00:56:46] <fielding> and we didn't define ALPN in this working group either
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[00:59:11] <ilari.liusvaara> Craig Taylor, Unfortunately, some ciphersuites are very easy to screw up and generate devastating side channels.
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[00:59:20] <mikebel> its good enough
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[00:59:59] <Craig Taylor> I don't disagree, but http/1.0 doesn't mandate I don't use those....and I don't :)
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[01:00:53] <mikebel> we should consult the NSA on the cipher suites. they research this a lot.
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