httpbis - Monday, 5 November 2012

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Monday, 5 November 2012< ^ >

stpeter has set the subject to: IETF HTTPbis Working Group | IETF 84 | audio: http://ietf84streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf848.m3u

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[17:58:54] julian thinks it's a terrible thing that the audio stream can't be tested before the meeting starts
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[17:59:40] <Eliot Lear> *agrees*
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[18:01:58] <julian> mnot: test test
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[18:04:02] <Eliot Lear> Ted's my hero!
[18:04:13] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> If you need something reflected to the mic, please put it here with MIC at the front.
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[18:04:33] <tony.l.hansen> @Ted - merci
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[18:05:17] <Martin Thomson> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/minutes if you want to help
[18:05:22] <Martin Thomson> 21 drafts: woo
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[18:10:04] <julian> 376: yes, thar was reqquested by OAuth
[18:12:42] <Martin Thomson> 376 was b64token -> token68
[18:14:48] <Eliot Lear> which doc?
[18:15:02] <Martin Thomson> security-properties
[18:15:19] <Martin Thomson> draft-ietf-httpbis-security-properties-05
[18:15:28] <Eliot Lear> thanks
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[18:19:43] <Eliot Lear> mic: I agree with the chair that you need implementor interest, no matter where the work is done.
[18:19:56] <Eliot Lear> mic: is there that interest?
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[18:21:56] <julian> The original text was from Robert Sayre
[18:23:20] <Eliot Lear> mic: sorry, no. i meant people who write code
[18:24:25] <Eliot Lear> mic: then please let's put it to bed
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[18:25:00] <=JeffH> julian: thanks
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[18:27:42] <Eliot Lear> that's what i'm saying
[18:28:00] <Eliot Lear> (what mnot said with not hats)
[18:28:18] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Eliot, we seem to be seeing serious lag
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[18:33:55] <julian> (these are all from Dan W's review)
[18:34:46] <tony.l.hansen> what is being displayed right now?
[18:35:27] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> Connection header field MUST vs. SHould
[18:35:36] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> It's from the tracker
[18:36:00] <julian> Should be from: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/report/3
[18:36:39] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/395
[18:36:45] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> is the specific item
[18:36:49] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> (Sorry, I
[18:37:00] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> am far away and couldn't squint to it before now)
[18:37:23] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/397
[18:37:49] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/22
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[18:38:24] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/350
[18:39:02] <Martin Thomson> we're now all reading mark's email
[18:39:30] <Eliot Lear> anything embarrassing?
[18:40:17] <Jim Fenton> I'm only halfway back in the room, but I left my telescope at home...
[18:40:23] <Martin Thomson> sadly, no
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[18:48:47] <Martin Thomson> I might have been tempted to allow shared caching
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[18:56:08] <Eliot Lear> which issue #?
[18:56:40] <julian> Eliot: no issue number I believe
[18:56:49] <Eliot Lear> @julian, thanks
[18:56:49] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> There doesn't seem to be an issue number ; this is "editorial issues on p1"
[18:56:57] <Martin Thomson> we're going through mail from mnot
[18:57:43] <julian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2012OctDec/0276.html
[18:57:54] <julian> (I think)
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[18:58:25] <Eliot Lear> got it, thanks
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[19:05:53] <julian> mic: but that's a requirement we know is getting ignored
[19:06:55] <julian> (not disagreeing, just stating it...)
[19:06:56] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> at line now
[19:08:24] <julian> no
[19:08:55] <julian> mic: we may want to try to add an indicator at the bottom of the screen
[19:09:23] <julian> mic: q to Brian: how does XHR handle trucated responses?
[19:10:10] <Martin Thomson> the node api is very clear on this one :)
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[19:10:35] julian will raise an XHR issue :-)
[19:10:45] <Eliot Lear> what roberto said
[19:12:21] <julian> mic: there's a related issue about truncated *downloads* (as in "save as"); Eric Lawrence once blogged about it
[19:13:37] julian thanks Ted for proxying
[19:13:43] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> np
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[19:15:06] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> This is item 3.5
[19:15:55] <julian> (Eric Lawrence -> <http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ieinternals/archive/2011/03/09/browsers-accommodate-incorrect-http-content-length-and-sites-depressingly-depend-on-it.aspx>)
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[19:16:40] <Martin Thomson> thanks :)
[19:19:41] <julian> it is
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[19:20:37] <julian> mic: "Clarify exactly when "close" connection options have to be sent; drop notion of header fields being "hop-by-hop" without being listed in the Connection header field. (Section 6.1)" (Changes from 2616)
[19:20:57] <julian> http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-ietf-httpbis-p1-messaging-21.html#rfc.section.A.2
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[19:21:45] <julian> yes
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[19:25:23] <SM> It's fine
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[19:41:24] julian agrees with Roy
[19:43:37] julian maybe it should be called "Cache-Key" then
[19:44:27] <Martin Thomson> I want regex!
[19:44:50] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> In the privacy of your own home, Martin.
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[19:47:42] <julian> mic: if we have time left, we might want to talk about the idea to relax the media-range ABNF to allow things like: "Accept: application/*+json"
[19:47:54] <cyrusdaboo> The name "Key" seems a little to broad (I first thought of crypto key). Perhaps Cache-Key or Vary-Key?
[19:48:06] julian +1 on Cyrus :-)
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[19:48:49] <julian> no issue in the tracker
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