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[13:03:57] <linyi> agenda bashing
[13:04:28] <jre> roy, do you hear us?
[13:04:32] <fielding> yes
[13:04:47] <linyi> WG status review
[13:05:04] <fielding> very clear audio this morning
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[13:07:10] <jre> meeting materials: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/browser/wg_materials/ietf81
[13:08:13] <linyi> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/agenda/httpbis.txt
[13:08:16] <linyi> agenda
[13:09:50] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/wiki
[13:09:51] <linyi> tickets diagram will be put into wiki page. it shows four years view of tickets
[13:10:42] <linyi> HTTPbis -14/-15 change overview
[13:11:05] <linyi> history page
[13:11:26] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/browser/wg_materials/ietf81/ietf-81-httpbis-changes.pdf
[13:11:40] <linyi> changes page
[13:12:08] <fielding> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/20
[13:12:45] <linyi> is ticket 20 related to Alexy's proposal in AppArea work group?
[13:13:00] <jre> linyi: yes
[13:13:25] <linyi> but no agreement was made yesterday, right?
[13:13:44] <jre> linyi: yes - our change predates the work on this draft
[13:13:54] <jre> Alexey's draft is about MIME in general
[13:14:27] <linyi> i will ask this question to the mic
[13:14:39] <fielding> List of issues closed in draft 14: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/query?status=closed&group=resolution&milestone=14
[13:15:02] <linyi> ticket 283, around buffering.
[13:15:34] <linyi> ticket 288 messages in isolation
[13:16:29] <fielding> and for draft 15: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/query?status=closed&group=resolution&milestone=15
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[13:18:21] <linyi> ticket 203 Non Authoritative Information
[13:19:38] <linyi> it was noted the ticket number of the slides are wrong.
[13:21:19] <linyi> changes (caching & editorial)
[13:25:36] <linyi> issues discussion
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[13:26:16] <linyi> http://bit.ly/httpbis-design-issues
[13:27:28] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/186
[13:27:51] <linyi> is jre the same person with fielding:)
[13:28:01] <linyi> jre is not jave vm, right?
[13:28:15] jre is Julian Reschke
[13:28:46] <linyi> so fielding is the last one signed the blue sheet, right?
[13:29:03] <jre> linyi that was Yngwe
[13:29:14] <jre> Roy Fielding is @ home
[13:29:21] <fielding> in California
[13:29:30] <linyi> i am new here. need to make friends:)
[13:29:46] <linyi> Yngwe: hello
[13:31:53] <linyi> Larry walked to the mic
[13:32:39] <linyi> ticket 270
[13:32:51] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/270
[13:34:12] <jre> plan: \x means x
[13:34:30] <jre> compatible with RFC 5322 (mail)
[13:35:35] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/100
[13:35:58] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/306
[13:37:07] <fielding> well, something inefficient will happen.
[13:37:14] <linyi> the proposal is "don't put quote in the e-tag"
[13:37:31] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/100
[13:37:50] <linyi> roy, do you want this to be repeated to the mic?
[13:38:19] <fielding> no need
[13:38:29] <linyi> why no quote will make it inefficient?
[13:38:49] <jre> for GET it might be inefficient
[13:38:59] <jre> for things like PUT though...
[13:39:16] <fielding> I was just jonking: Mark said that something bad would happen. Even for PUT it will just reject the request.
[13:39:21] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/297
[13:39:36] <jre> roy: indeed
[13:41:26] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/160
[13:42:34] <linyi> julian on the mic
[13:43:58] <jre> plan: document POST->GET for 301 and 302
[13:44:12] <jre> but keep telling impls not to rewrite methods != POST
[13:44:23] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/295
[13:44:43] <jre> older issue: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/43
[13:46:01] <linyi> julian on the mac
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[13:46:53] jre will never be on the mac :-)
[13:47:11] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/290
[13:47:24] <linyi> so you are only in favor of windows?
[13:47:37] <jre> Atari!
[13:48:22] <linyi> um...
[13:48:59] <=JeffH> ubuntu here
[13:49:22] <linyi> "=JeffH" welcome
[13:50:26] <bkihara.l> is there OpenMac time here?
[13:50:53] <linyi> i guess openMic will be after this presentation if time permits
[13:51:04] <linyi> OpenAtari
[13:51:38] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/78
[13:51:53] <linyi> Larry on the Atari (mic) (not really)
[13:53:44] <jre> - clarify that WWW-A can appear on non-401 responses
[13:54:19] <jre> - explain that if you don't use Authorizazion for credentials this will affect caching
[13:55:00] <linyi> Cyrus on the mic
[13:55:06] <fielding> comments to the mic, please
[13:55:39] <linyi> Roy: i will remind the chair if this happens again
[13:56:01] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/177
[13:56:48] <jre> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/195
[14:00:18] <linyi> Thoughts on HTTP Header Field Parsing.
[14:00:27] <linyi> Julian will present it.
[14:02:15] <linyi> Problem statement & Background
[14:03:45] <linyi> Slide 3: example
[14:06:00] <linyi> slide 4
[14:06:26] <linyi> Chair asked to check the example in slide 4 to make sure it was copied from the spec
[14:06:37] <linyi> slide 5
[14:07:22] <fielding> I lost audio stream
[14:07:31] <linyi> can you retry?
[14:07:38] <fielding> yep, back on
[14:07:49] <linyi> cool, you didn't miss much.
[14:07:58] <linyi> it was quiet just now.
[14:08:10] <linyi> on slide 5 now
[14:08:33] <linyi> slide 6
[14:09:04] <linyi> slide 7
[14:09:58] <linyi> Review the http://greenbytes
[14:10:10] <linyi> review the http auth link from slide 7
[14:12:45] <linyi> is there a link for Julian's draft?
[14:14:14] <linyi> http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc web page
[14:14:41] <linyi> T0bas on the mac
[14:14:49] <linyi> from Web sec WG
[14:16:00] <jre> http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc2231/
[14:16:07] <jre> http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc/httpcontenttype/
[14:16:13] <jre> http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc/httplink/
[14:16:20] <jre> http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc/httpauth/
[14:17:12] <linyi> Rebot
[14:17:19] <jre> Mark shows http://redbot.org/
[14:20:48] <linyi> ContentDispositionProducerAdvice page
[14:20:57] <linyi> i guess Julian can help to give the link
[14:21:17] <linyi> another page : https://github.com/mnot/sweet
[14:22:13] <linyi> julian on the mic
[14:23:41] <jre> WWW-A *really* uses a nested list, so "," is both a delim between parameters and between challenges
[14:25:02] <Roy> linyi on the mic
[14:25:31] <linyi> JIM on the mic
[14:25:51] <linyi> JIM Gettys (Bell Labs)
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[14:28:22] <linyi> hello Peter:)
[14:30:36] <linyi> can anybody explain what are the points JIM want to make?
[14:30:59] <jre> (there should be a summary somewhere)
[14:31:30] <jre> http://gettys.wordpress.com/category/bufferbloat/
[14:36:59] <fielding> mic
[14:37:20] <linyi> larry on the mic
[14:39:12] <fielding> what happens when the same URL is in email text?
[14:39:21] <jre> agreed
[14:40:15] <linyi> Phillip on the mic
[14:42:31] <linyi> larry on the mic
[14:44:05] <fielding> W3C TPAC is in Santa Clara, close to Adobe
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