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[22:19:03] https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/e.php?AT=MI&EventID=132780802&UID=0&PW=NZGRiOGI1OTA3&RT=MiM0 [22:19:33] rgonzalez joins the room [22:19:52] I can scribe [22:19:59] yu kyung joins the room [22:20:06] martin.thomson: thanks [22:20:06] at least for this - or were you asking about minutes [22:20:50] buckeyeskeeve joins the room [22:21:22] martin, would you consider doing this on etherpad? [22:21:39] +1 to etherpad [22:21:41] I would if I knew what that was :p [22:21:54] http://etherpad.com/ [22:22:01] real-time collaborative editing [22:22:06] http://etherpad.com/hhKR9GsLkt [22:22:25] done [22:22:34] it makes scribing easier [22:22:47] no [22:22:55] my voice isn't very good [22:23:29] ok [22:23:55] so; jabber is just chat, etherpad is scribing, webex is presentations? [22:24:27] cyrus joins the room [22:25:06] Alexey at mic [22:25:45] Hyong-Jong Paik joins the room [22:26:04] Joe Hildebrand joins the room [22:26:36] Barry Leiba joins the room [22:27:02] jeffh says he might take time to present security [22:28:10] sal joins the room [22:33:03] =JeffH joins the room [22:34:30] IIRC it was Alex Roussakov [22:43:33] lynch joins the room [22:43:49] it solves problems [22:45:41] re deflate [22:45:50] current proposal in bug is "Note that some incorrect implementations may send deflate encoding without a zlib wrapper when using this encoding." [22:46:29] mcharlesr joins the room [22:47:08] ꈲ joins the room [22:47:50] no, the core question is what does it mean for post to be cacheable [22:48:20] you mean the method+uri as the key> [22:48:25] the direction we were going in before was that a POST response could be reused for a future GET, but I'd like to get confirmation of that [22:48:42] ok, I was mixing issue number [22:50:13] we've already agreed it's URI + method [22:50:19] we just need to define method-specific semantics now [22:50:21] Lisa Dusseault joins the room [22:52:10] skudou joins the room [22:54:20] skudou leaves the room [22:56:21] I'm not sure the WG has guidance to give about that. [22:56:25] I'd look more to the IESG. [22:56:43] who's speaking? [22:56:56] ah, robert. [22:58:17] the name follows from charter requirements. [23:00:01] (barry leiba speaking) [23:04:03] that was a while back :0 [23:04:45] <=JeffH> ok, so chairs can provide input to spec schope [23:04:48] <=JeffH> cope [23:04:50] <=JeffH> scope [23:04:54] <=JeffH> :) [23:05:10] suggest that a title change is possible without changing the name - the RFC doesn't get a name [23:16:05] <=JeffH> RFCs have a title. IESG pays attention to that, not the I-D filename [23:19:43] perhaps it didn't work out because the implementers felt it was specified in too complex a manner (which is the feedback J got about 2231)? [23:20:31] not I, Julian [23:22:53] mcharlesr leaves the room [23:25:12] mcharlesr joins the room [23:26:19] That's a problem shared by all HTTP header syntax. [23:26:42] jerenkrantz joins the room [23:27:52] Bless the woman that opened the back door. [23:28:09] Mark Nottingham raises hand [23:28:11] <=JeffH> [23:28:41] I disagree [23:28:51] http already has multiple ways of doing such things [23:29:05] and we don't give such advice [23:29:19] Joshua Bell joins the room [23:29:20] e.g., client-side vs. server-side conneg [23:29:36] also, conneg doesn't work for request headers [23:30:07] jerenkrantz leaves the room [23:31:32] mark, you mean for example using TCN and display the variants in advance? [23:32:23] …and incredibly inconvenient for the chair, but what's new? [23:33:06] justin.erenkrantz joins the room [23:33:18] LOL [23:36:04] +1 on GET of collections [23:38:03] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/DavFuture [23:39:21] Barry Leiba leaves the room [23:39:24] lynch leaves the room [23:39:45] no [23:39:51] repeat? [23:39:54] we wish you good health :) [23:39:58] ah, thank you! [23:40:07] thanks to alexey and julian for taking over at short notice! 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