[06:50:37] Bjoern Hoehrmann leaves the room [07:43:59] Julian Reschke joins the room [07:55:29] ylafon joins the room [07:55:51] Yves, we are in front of room 300. [07:56:21] ok, I am currently on a small table over the registration, 300 should be quite close to that [07:56:25] be there in a sec [08:21:32] Julian Reschke leaves the room [08:21:40] Julian Reschke joins the room [08:29:14] fsasaki joins the room [08:46:00] Julian Reschke leaves the room [08:46:05] Julian Reschke joins the room [08:57:41] hi felix! [08:58:07] I hate UAs. See http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc2231/redirects.html [09:15:59] hi Yves :) [09:16:20] fsasaki lurking [09:37:13] Julian Reschke leaves the room [09:37:17] ylafon leaves the room [09:41:37] fsasaki leaves the room [10:46:40] Julian Reschke joins the room [10:48:17] mnotting@gmail.com joins the room [10:49:24] =JeffH joins the room [10:52:17] annevankesteren joins the room [10:52:53] annevankesteren wonders if this is supposed to be readonly [10:53:01] annevankesteren is now known as anne [10:53:01] anne is now known as annevankesteren [10:53:08] no, it's r/w [10:53:23] do you have the aduo stream running? [10:53:37] yeah, just heard some conversation about iri-bis [10:53:39] audio [10:53:45] ok [10:54:00] quite good quality [10:54:10] we haven't started yet [10:54:17] so this is just room noise [10:54:24] sure [10:55:04] (i opened the stream an hour early and at some point my computer started making noises and I wasn't sure what it was about anymore :) ) [10:55:17] hi anne [10:55:28] I will respond to your feedback on link soon [10:55:44] martin.thomson joins the room [10:55:57] beroset joins the room [10:56:40] Agenda and meeting materials at: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/agenda [10:56:59] thx [10:57:31] annevankesteren is now known as anne [10:57:31] anne is now known as annevankesteren [10:57:41] annevankesteren is now known as anne [10:58:46] Lisa Dusseault joins the room [10:59:01] roy.fielding joins the room [10:59:59] cyrus joins the room [11:02:28] # [11:02:30] hsalgado joins the room [11:02:31] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:02:49] agenda bashing [11:03:00] David.W.Levine1 joins the room [11:03:08] other BOFs [11:03:13] Julian Reschke leaves the room [11:03:29] Julian Reschke joins the room [11:07:31] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:09:06] that draft is http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-abarth-mime-sniff fwiw [11:09:42] anne can hardly hear Larry [11:10:56] <=JeffH> [11:12:31] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:12:31] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:12:34] hta joins the room [11:14:16] anne leaves the room [11:14:16] annevankesteren joins the room [11:14:17] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:14:17] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:14:47] Joshua Bell joins the room [11:15:42] <=JeffH> is scribing going into this room -- I'm not seeing it if so.... [11:16:20] danwing joins the room [11:16:34] I'm keeping a log in a text file [11:16:53] <=JeffH> so not scribing into jabber room ? [11:17:01] sal joins the room [11:17:04] format doesn't really permit it [11:17:17] :/ [11:17:18] =JeffH thinks matter of opinion :) [11:17:26] agrees [11:17:32] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:17:32] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:17:43] <=JeffH> onto issue 170 [11:18:07] I am going back and forth to clarify my own points as we go, I'm not doing well at keeping up on occasion [11:19:12] lynch joins the room [11:19:25] aman joins the room [11:20:09] ylafon joins the room [11:20:28] <=JeffH> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08jul/slides/httpbis-0.pdf [11:21:04] Link does not work. [11:21:18] <=JeffH> sigh [11:21:29] Direct: http://www4.ietf.org/proceedings/08jul/slides/httpbis-0.pdf [11:22:26] yes or http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/75/slides/httpbis-0.pdf [11:22:32] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:22:32] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:22:52] link was 09jul and not 08jul :) [11:23:00] <=JeffH> heh thx [11:25:09] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/155#comment:3 [11:27:07] <=JeffH> (amusingly enough, that broken link was from an email mnot had sent me...) [11:27:32] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:30:22] is there any chance someone can do new topic announcements here if full minutes are done somewhere else? [11:30:30] ok [11:30:44] thanks [11:30:53] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/109 [11:32:32] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:33:06] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/69 ("requested variant") [11:34:18] hsalgado leaves the room [11:34:21] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/110 (Clarify rules for determining what entities a response carries) [11:34:57] (almost everybody knows the difference between representation / resource) :-) [11:35:31] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/22 [11:36:00] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2009AprJun/0282.html [11:37:33] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:37:33] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:37:59] oh the irony [11:40:24] looking at p2-semantics [11:40:46] nope, p4, etag header [11:42:33] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:42:33] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:43:18] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/188 [11:43:45] "pick IANA policy (RFC5226) for Transfer Coding / Content Coding" [11:44:44] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/90 [11:44:53] "Delimiting messages with multipart/byteranges" [11:45:47] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/131 [11:46:06] "increase connection limit" [11:46:09] "increase connection limit" [11:47:33] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:47:33] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:47:56] lynch leaves the room [11:48:46] lynch joins the room [11:49:26] lynch leaves the room [11:50:06] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:50:06] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:50:11] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:50:11] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:50:17] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:50:26] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:50:41] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:50:41] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:52:33] annevankesteren is now known as anne [11:52:33] anne is now known as annevankesteren [11:54:04] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/145 [11:54:15] "empty authority in URL" [11:56:05] can I get a name for that last comment (people, wear your name tags please) [11:56:22] That was Yngve Pettersen [11:56:27] thanks [11:56:30] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/159 [11:56:39] "HTTP(s) URI scheme definitions" [11:57:33] annevankesteren is now known as anne [12:00:34] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/165 [12:00:49] "Case-sensitivity of HTTP-date" [12:01:07] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/173 [12:01:18] "CR and LF in chunk extension values" [12:02:33] anne is now known as annevankesteren [12:03:18] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/184 [12:03:28] "HTTP/0.9 support" [12:04:19] browsers still deal with it afaik [12:04:34] and I think there's content out there too [12:05:02] (but I have not studied this, but by the sound of it neither has anyone else...) [12:06:11] I often telnet to port 80 and type "GET / HTTP/0.9" when debugging. So as long as it's not forbidden for servers to support it, I'm groovy [12:06:39] that would not be a valid 0.9 request ;-) [12:06:44] annevankesteren (thanks!) [12:07:34] annevankesteren is now known as anne [12:07:34] anne is now known as annevankesteren [12:11:11] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/160 [12:11:22] "Redirects and non-GET methods" [12:12:10] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/160 [12:12:18] I think 307 is still good (at least in Opera) [12:12:28] anne, almost [12:12:34] annevankesteren is now known as anne [12:12:34] anne is now known as annevankesteren [12:12:53] 307 works properly almost everywhere, except Safari [12:12:53] oh [12:12:57] guess yngve will tell :) [12:13:11] there'sa glitch with DELETE->307 in Opera [12:13:27] ...already reported... [12:13:33] via XHR? [12:13:38] yes [12:13:40] there's various glitches I think :/ [12:15:04] I think the main problem with method-preserving is that it requires UI [12:15:17] and users just don't get that UI [12:15:17] ylafon leaves the room [12:15:46] ylafon joins the room [12:17:23] FWIW, HEAD and OPTIONS should still be preserved imo [12:17:34] annevankesteren is now known as anne [12:17:34] anne is now known as annevankesteren [12:18:14] i.e. HEAD -> 301 -> HEAD should not be turned into HEAD -> 301 -> GET [12:19:19] yep, we'll keep that in mind [12:19:50] otherwise CORS will have issues [12:20:44] also OPTIONS [12:21:38] just for some safe methods [12:21:40] ;) [12:21:47] Anne, well, which? [12:21:56] Why isn't CORS using 307 then????? [12:22:07] do you plan to redirect on TRACE? ;) [12:22:08] What is CORS? [12:22:16] w3.org/tr/cors/ [12:22:18] what does a browser do for PUT? [12:22:20] <=JeffH> "cross origin resource sharing" [12:22:35] annevankesteren is now known as anne [12:22:35] anne is now known as annevankesteren [12:22:38] got it [12:22:40] the protocol tries to be agnostic about the redirect status code [12:23:01] but it does use OPTIONS and since it's safe it ought to work for 301/302 fine [12:23:05] roy -> http://www.mnot.net/javascript/xmlhttprequest/ [12:24:12] i guess we could require authors to use 307 but that seems more complex than it could be [12:25:21] http://greenbytes.de/tech/tc2231/redirects.html [12:26:13] As for this topic, has it ever been discussed to have a separate request header that includes the fragment identifier? So you can turn a page that has multiple subtopics into separate pages if the topics grow too large? or if you update the fragment identifiers? [12:27:21] yes, it has been discussed before (1994-5) [12:27:35] annevankesteren is now known as anne [12:27:35] anne is now known as annevankesteren [12:27:57] do you remember why it was dismissed or have a pointer? it has always bugged me a bit :) [12:28:25] aman leaves the room [12:28:36] See discussion of Orig-URI header field [12:30:05] http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/trac/ticket/81 [12:30:15] "Content Negotiation for media types" [12:31:50] take a look at JSR 311 - it's rife in there [12:32:26] fragment is not sent to server for what can only be described as security conditions (privacy, really), but I can't remember the details at the moment. [12:32:36] annevankesteren is now known as anne [12:33:29] ok, though hopefully it's clear that benefit is pretty much lost now [12:33:36] (unless you disable scripting) [12:35:51] (scripting off by default was not really an issue in 94-95) [12:36:14] jaja :) [12:37:36] anne is now known as annevankesteren [12:41:40] (I cannot hear the person answering to the person that says "it is the exact same issue") [12:42:29] was julian, he was suggesting it was an HTML issue, then something else [12:42:36] annevankesteren is now known as anne [12:42:36] anne is now known as annevankesteren [12:42:44] I don't think he disagreed so much [12:43:01] ok, it is defined by HTML5 I think [12:43:07] maybe that should update the relevant RFCs [12:43:11] that sounds right [12:43:30] <=JeffH> draft-reschke-webdav-url-constraints-00 ? [12:43:42] yep [12:43:52] work in progress, you know :-) [12:44:06] <=JeffH> Baker -- HTTP over SCTP [12:46:24] <=JeffH> draft-natarajan-http-over-sctp-00.txt ? [12:46:36] <=JeffH> sctp takes bundle of connections into one common session context with common congestion control [12:47:36] annevankesteren is now known as anne [12:47:36] anne is now known as annevankesteren [12:52:37] annevankesteren is now known as anne [12:52:37] anne is now known as annevankesteren [12:54:12] danwing leaves the room [12:57:37] annevankesteren is now known as anne [12:58:26] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wing-http-new-tech-00 [12:58:34] I didn't know about that draft. 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