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dkg has set the subject to: HTTP 451 -- exposing censorship -- https://pad.riseup.net/p/ietf99-http451 -- https://github.com/451hackathon -- https://pad.riseup.net/p/ietf99-http451-tools
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[04:55:50] <maskys> dkg: I'm sorry I went offline but, all the icons on the link I sent are 128x128 according to Chrome's requirements :)
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[07:13:01] <dantheta> logan & whoward: I've pushed a commit that adds central collection to a server run by alp.  Not sure if it will be reachable from outside the IETF network.
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[07:38:07] <tarakiyee> Hey folks, we were thinking of linking to a resource to explain the limitations of censorship
[07:38:39] <tarakiyee> policy team: does something like this work?
[07:38:39] <tarakiyee> https://www.article19.org/pages/en/limitations.html
[07:39:14] <nllz> We just wrote a whole report about it
[07:39:29] <nllz> Am going to work on that
[07:39:38] <tarakiyee> cool, we can link to that then
[07:39:53] <nllz> https://www.article19.org/resources.php/resource/38586/en/freedom-of-expression-unfiltered:-how-blocking-and-filtering-affect-free-speech :)
[07:40:06] <nllz> 451 is already mention in there as well
[07:41:02] <nllz> p22. : The legal basis for the decision to block; the reasons for the decision in plain/user friendly language (not legal jargon); and HTTP status code 45150 should be served;
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[07:42:35] <nllz> Correction: The legal basis for the decision to block; the reasons for the decision in plain/user friendly language (not legal jargon); and HTTP status code 451 (footnote 50) should be served;
[07:42:55] <tarakiyee> It’s a great report but it doesn’t really work as a landing page
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[07:47:57] <tarakiyee> we were thinking something similar to this:
[07:47:57] <tarakiyee> https://necessaryandproportionate.org/principles
[07:49:13] <JoeHallCDT> nto:
[07:49:13] <JoeHallCDT> https://cdt.org/files/2016/10/Issue-Brief-The-Time-Has-Come-to-Move-to-HTTPS.pdf
[07:49:17] <alp> OK, HTTP POST collector now online: http://collector.wirecdn.com/report
[07:49:34] <alp> (https and different endpoints coming in a bit!)
[07:53:20] <dantheta> tried posting a report, but only the _id attribute is visible
[07:53:36] <dantheta> It definitely had all the data in the post!
[07:53:41] <dantheta> http://collector.wirecdn.com/report/hDmV6aggNliLT4TD
[07:55:12] <alp> dantheta: just tried, block-crawler impl works fine: http://collector.wirecdn.com/report/URkYIJmaivQpjJAU
[07:58:07] <dantheta> Fixed, my bad; it seems to be stricter about POST payload encoding
[07:58:10] <dantheta> Added mime type
[07:59:20] <dantheta> Cool, it does support DELETE.  I've removed the junk
[07:59:38] <alp> tarakiyee, dkg: can you try POSTing some reports to that endpoint from the wp plugin and browser plugin?
[08:00:02] <tarakiyee> working on it
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[08:04:23] <alp> {"date":"1984-11-05T01:02:03.999Z","creator":"WP Error Code 451 Plugin","version":"0.1","url":"https://example.org","status":451,"statusText":"This page is blocked because of reasons.","blockedBy":"https://451wordpressplugin.com","blockingAuthority":"http://cocacola.com","blockedIn":"DE,US","_id":"YzT0R463XuCGK8q9"}
[08:04:30] <alp> tarakiyee: neat!
[08:05:08] <tarakiyee> I need to fix some of the data but looks mostly good
[08:05:52] <alp> yep, feel free to shape the json, we aren't validating it yet
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[08:10:04] <shivan> alp: did you receive anything from 451reporter on the collector?
[08:17:39] <shivan> whoops also forgot to add the content-type, works now
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[08:25:38] <maskys> dkg: Reuploaded the uncompressed icons at http://i.cubeupload.com/s9EvWI.png (light version) and at http://i.cubeupload.com/ajWRna.png (dark)
[08:26:12] <maskys> Both are at 128x128 and follow chrome's  icon guidelines
[08:32:06] <alp> shivan: neat. chrome extension reports coming in fine
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[08:38:29] <dkg> maskys: great, thanks!
[08:41:11] <dkg> shivan: i'm trying to make a UI so that the reports don't go out without the user's permission
[08:41:35] <dkg> i've got some changes that are working (with a popup window)
[08:41:45] <dkg> but am having trouble populating the window properly yet.
[08:43:09] <shivan> I think you'll have to do message passing, right>
[08:43:10] <shivan> *?
[08:43:29] <dkg> maskys: i don't see any difference between those icons, but i'll just take one of them :)
[08:44:16] <maskys> dkg: one of them has a darker shade of red :)
[08:44:36] <alp> New https instance now running: https://registry.wirecdn.com/report <- i'll develop on this one, and keep the old http-only instance stable
[08:46:50] <alp> dantheta: would it help if the API is accessible with CORS, so the client can be tested/hosted on a different origin?
[08:48:01] <dkg> maskys: if you say so :)
[08:49:38] <alp> Heading to the Hilton now, Signal me with anything urgent ;-)
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[08:57:04] <dkg> shivan: i'm not sure where to store the info so that i we can find it.
[09:00:00] <shivan> I thought we didn't want to store the info in the user's browser
[09:01:48] <dkg> well, we are storing it already, in the blockedResources dictionary
[09:01:59] <dkg> i'm not talking about storing it permanently
[09:02:07] <dkg> i'm just trying to figure out how to extract it from the popup
[09:02:22] <dkg> should i push the code i've got (which is broken) so you can take a look and help me think it through?
[09:02:26] <dkg> i can push on a branch if you prefer
[09:04:21] <shivan> sure!
[09:05:39] <dkg> shivan: i've pushed to a "reporting-ui" branch
[09:05:54] <dkg> it doesn't work right now -- even the document.createElement() doesn't seem to work properly there :/
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[09:06:31] <shivan> okay let me take a look
[09:08:28] <shivan> At what point should listBlockedResources() be called?
[09:08:51] <dkg> if you look at popup.js
[09:08:57] <dkg> it gets called when the popup happens
[09:13:07] <dkg> so i think the problem is that popup.html includes both background.js and popup.js
[09:13:20] <dkg> so maybe blockedResources is getting reset by the load of background.js
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[09:13:42] <dkg> but without that, i get a failure on getCurrentTabAsync
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[09:14:30] <dkg> shivan: also, are you ok if we remove the console.log() invocations from the committed source?  they seem like printf-style debugging to me, and they clutter up the console log when i'm looking at other errors.
[09:15:07] <shivan> definitely okay with removing console.logs
[09:15:12] <nllz> first try at campaign doc: https://github.com/451hackathon/451-imp-report/blob/master/1pager.mdown
[09:15:12] <dkg> cool, will do.
[09:15:45] <shivan> about popup.html including background.js… I've never seen that before
[09:16:26] <shivan> you want to get background.js so as to be able to get tab Id, right?
[09:16:48] <dkg> well, what i really want is access to the blockedResources dictionary
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[09:17:39] <whoward> I've created a presentation on Goolge Slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/17pG6uAb_0KUWIu9sguoLHotd9efJ5JrcRbLGuffTZI0/edit?usp=sharing
[09:18:27] <shivan> I believe you can access chrome.extension.getBackgroundPage().variable
[09:19:08] <dkg> ah, interesting.  i'll try that
[09:21:16] <dkg> shivan: woo, thanks!  that worked.  i'm pushing an update now.
[09:21:32] <dkg> so the data is all connected correctly, i think, now i'm working on formatting.
[09:21:44] <shivan> great!
[09:22:28] <maskys> dkg: nice work!
[09:22:55] <JoeHallCDT> woo! (cheerleading here)
[09:23:23] <nllz> whoward: do you also want to add the browser plugin, wp-plugin, the implementation report and the human rights impact assessment?
[09:23:35] <nllz> Maybe all do it on one page?
[09:23:43] <nllz> Else it will be way too long
[09:24:51] <whoward> I have added slides for those. I don't yet have information regarding what was accomplished in relation to them, though.
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[09:26:01] <nllz> Maybe we should not have more than 2 slides
[09:26:14] <nllz> Charles seems pretty adamant abt that
[09:26:48] <nllz> Is Alp still interested in doing the screen recording?
[09:26:54] <dkg> i agree that we want no more than 2 slides
[09:27:04] <whoward> Does that include the title slide?
[09:27:10] <nllz> yups
[09:27:55] <dkg> whoward: i can't seem to edit the slides -- can you change "Web plugin" to "Browser plugin" ?
[09:28:04] <whoward> got it
[09:29:54] <whoward> Are there any drafts that I'm missing?
[09:32:21] <dkg> whoward: maybe put some sort of tagline on the title slide that makes it clear what this is about?  "Making Censorship Visible" or something?
[09:32:36] <dkg> whoward: thank you for working on the slides!
[09:32:36] <nllz> I'd change 'Drafts' into 'Reports'
[09:32:56] <nllz> 'Making Censorship Transparent' mayhaps?
[09:33:02] <JoeHallCDT> yes!
[09:33:21] <JoeHallCDT> Or “Bringing censorship into the light?”
[09:33:24] <JoeHallCDT> whatevs
[09:33:44] <whoward> "bringing censorship into view"
[09:34:06] <dkg> yeah, this definitely falls under the overall category of "organizational transparency", but "making censorship transparent" sounds confusing to me.
[09:34:10] <runnegar@jabber.isoc.org> I like "into the light"
[09:34:28] <dkg> because i tend to think of censorship as those black bars over redacted parts of letters
[09:34:36] <dkg> so if you make that transparent, what does it mean?
[09:35:04] <whoward> Should also be a brief description written on the second slide for what each report/implementation does?
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[09:36:03] <shivan> going to take a nap, good luck for the presentation!
[09:37:10] <JoeHallCDT> and what about adding “Collector” to the  Implementations list?
[09:37:17] <JoeHallCDT> i.e., the thing we’re reporting to
[09:37:20] <JoeHallCDT> cool!
[09:37:39] <alp> "block-collector"
[09:37:42] <nllz> Good idea: Implementation Report - analyzes how HTTP Status Code 451 is being used, the positive and negative impacts the standard might have, suggestions for improvement, and legal background for India, Chile, Russia, Iran, US
[09:38:22] <nllz> Human Rights Considerations: analyzes potential positive and negative human rights impacts of HTTP Status Code 451 according to draft-irtf-hrpc-research
[09:38:45] <JoeHallCDT> you can say those things rather than put too much text on slide too
[09:38:51] <JoeHallCDT> or whatever
[09:39:35] <alp> these are the well-known names of modules right now: block-collector, block-dash, block-crawler & LegalCrawler, 451reporter (browser plugin) and the WP plugin seems to be called "Error Code 451 Plugin"
[09:39:49] <alp> 6 modules. Good work team!
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[09:40:00] <JoeHallCDT> wild!
[09:43:23] <nllz> ♪ ┏(-_-)┛┗(-_- )┓┗(-_-)┛┏(-_-)┓ ♪
[09:43:34] <whoward> Can I get information for the presentation relating to the implementations?
[09:44:30] <JoeHallCDT> you want one-liners whoward?
[09:44:42] <whoward> That would be good yes
[09:44:49] <JoeHallCDT> awesome, I’ll take a shot:
[09:45:13] <JoeHallCDT> js crawler: a node-based web crawler that recognizes 451 Status and reports to collector
[09:45:33] <JoeHallCDT> Block collector: a reporting endpoint that accepts 451 status reports from crawlers and wp-plugin
[09:46:23] <JoeHallCDT> Browser plugin: a Chrome-based (but portable) browser plugin that will recognize 451 Status, display some info about it, and optionally report to collector.
[09:47:14] <JoeHallCDT> Wp-plugin: a plugin for the WordPress CMS that allows a site operator to block content using 451 Status for specific countries and content
[09:48:17] <JoeHallCDT> folks, check the slides as we’ve added descriptions to them for each piece and you may want to change them/make them more precise
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[09:50:21] <JoeHallCDT> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/17pG6uAb_0KUWIu9sguoLHotd9efJ5JrcRbLGuffTZI0/edit#slide=id.g2498056052_0_375
[09:51:33] <u> nllz: https://github.com/451hackathon/wpplugin there are 3 images for you in there.
[09:51:39] <u> one is a screenshot of the error page.
[09:51:47] <u> one is a screenshot of the headers
[09:51:55] <maskys> Umm, I feel like Reports and Implementations could be split into two seperate slides, for better readbility
[09:52:08] <u> one is a screenshot of the plugin in Wordpress
[09:52:17] <maskys> readability*
[09:52:26] <u> we could still add a screenshot of the options page
[09:53:38] <whoward> I've been told to try keeping it to 2 slides, and I have animations for readability; the viewer doesn't just immediately see all of the text
[09:54:01] <whoward> hit "present" at the top of the screen when looking at the presentation to see what I mean.
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[09:54:40] <nllz> whoward: Analyze at line 2 of slide 2 should be capitalized and in the fourth bullet HTTP should move to the next line
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[09:54:54] <nllz> Impacts should probably also be capitalized
[09:54:55] <JoeHallCDT> ACLU logo: http://www.optodesign.com/aclu/gu0.html CDT logo: https://cdt.org/files/2016/05/CDT_LOGO_CMYK_hirestrans.png Article 19 logo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/LOGO_ARTICLE_19.jpg
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[09:56:22] <JoeHallCDT> Derechos Digitales:
[09:56:22] <maskys> Agreed, it'll look better with the animations.
[09:56:22] <JoeHallCDT> https://www.apc.org/sites/default/files/images/Derechos_Digitales.png
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[09:57:36] <whoward> How should those images be used?
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[09:59:12] <nllz> On the second page? Left lower corner?
[09:59:45] <JoeHallCDT> feel free to make them tiny!
[10:01:11] <maskys> higher quality images for ACLU and Article19: http://www.africtivistes.org/!/images/logo_article19.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f3/American_Civil_Liberties_Union_logo.svg/1280px-American_Civil_Liberties_Union_logo.svg.png
[10:01:16] <JoeHallCDT> CIS india:
[10:01:16] <JoeHallCDT> https://cis-india.org/++theme++cisindia.theme/images/logo.png
[10:01:35] <alp> there's too https://turkeyblocks.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/08/turkeyblocks-wide.png
[10:02:05] <JoeHallCDT> ORG logo:
[10:02:05] <JoeHallCDT> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c6/DOT_ORG_%28ORG_Marketing_Resources_logo%29.png
[10:02:27] <JoeHallCDT> will, don’t spend too much time on this but we want to show that civil society is here in force!
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[10:04:16] <nllz> https://secure.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/6/b/0/2/global_451947394.jpeg
[10:04:30] <maskys> Why not gather all of the images and put them at the bottom left? Kindof like sponsor list on posters(http://snmmi.files.cms-plus.com/PosterAd2013FInal.jpg)
[10:04:37] <dantheta> ORG logo: https://www.blocked.org.uk/assets/site/blocked/img/openrightsgroup.png <https://www.blocked.org.uk/assets/site/blocked/img/openrightsgroup.png>
[10:05:39] <maskys> Yes, looks nice on slide 1 too. :)
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[10:07:11] <whoward> Think the way I have the logos on the title page is good?
[10:08:02] <maskys> yes, looks good.
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[10:09:13] <whoward> Anything else I can/should do to improve?
[10:18:49] <maite90> NIC Labs logo: https://www.dcc.uchile.cl/sites/default/files/NIC-Chile_ResearchLabs.jpg
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[10:19:05] <maskys> whoward: What do you think of clumping the logos together, like this? https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1wuqO12XEUgsj4ImrnsmK21BMW016-jwwCDM0-AAXCeE/edit?usp=sharing
[10:19:17] <runnegar@jabber.isoc.org> hi, do you want the ISOC logo for the slides?
[10:19:58] <whoward> Sure
[10:20:12] <runnegar@jabber.isoc.org> shall I send as an attachment to you direct?
[10:21:28] <whoward> That works, but a URL would be better if possible
[10:22:03] <runnegar@jabber.isoc.org> hmm .. apologies, but I only have jpg and png
[10:24:52] <alp> Post personal / org handles here for live tweeting: mine are @atoker and @TurkeyBlocks
[10:25:11] <JoeHallCDT> Twitter handles: Joe: @joebeone Niels: @nielstenoever
[10:26:52] <loganaden> @loganaden_42
[10:27:18] <loganaden> codarren -> @devildron
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[10:43:27] <alp> OK, I started a quick write-up of the two JSON specifications for 451 reports: https://netblocks.org/spec/
[10:43:44] <alp> whoward: you can add the link in the presentation somewhere
[10:44:27] <tarakiyee> let me know if I can help someone somehow
[10:44:43] <JoeHallCDT> I think we’re in a holding pattern... anything else to do?
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[10:46:50] <runnegar@jabber.isoc.org> joe, could you point me to the campaign doc?
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[10:48:31] <whoward> alp: Which of the implementations does it relate to the most?
[10:48:49] <mpc81_dd17> https://github.com/451hackathon/451-imp-report/blob/master/1pager.mdown
[10:49:43] <alp> whoward: all 6 implementations are using the specified formats
[10:54:26] <loganaden> our logo: https://hackers.mu/@@site-logo/hackersmu.png
[10:54:43] <whoward> https://xkcd.com/1167/
[10:55:10] <whoward> Star Trek lnto Darkness
[11:01:58] <whoward> If people could post screenshots of the implemenation they worked on , that would be useful.
[11:02:49] <whoward> BTW: I believe there should be a blue button in the top left corner of the presentation link that lets you suggest edits that I can then add.
[11:04:37] <tarakiyee> https://xkcd.com/1200/
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[11:17:42] <dkg> whoward: if you want a screenshot of the browser plugin: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/451hackathon/451reporter/master/screenshot.png
[11:18:19] <whoward> Thanks!
[11:20:27] <whoward> Anyone else have screenshots?
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[11:33:26] <nllz> Here for the WP plugin: https://github.com/451hackathon/wpplugin/tree/master/screenshots
[11:33:53] <alp> whoward: screenshot: https://netblocks.org/tmp/block-collector-dash.png
[11:35:07] <JoeHallCDT> that’s the dashboard screenshot, will, but it sounds like Alp wants to update it?
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[11:38:50] <whoward> I have screenshots for everything except the JS crawler
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[11:44:27] <dkg> alp: i'd like to update the extension to report by default to the https URL.  is it ready for submission?  or should i stick with https for now?
[11:45:38] <alp> dkg: this one is long-term-supported: https://collector.wirecdn.com/report
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[11:53:54] <dkg> alp: thx
[11:54:07] <dkg> can anyone share the URL of the dashboard?  i want to look at some of the reports i'm generating
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[11:55:05] <alp> whoward: https://netblocks.org/tmp/block-crawler-screenshot.png
[11:55:13] <alp> whoward: https://netblocks.org/tmp/block-dash-text.png
[11:56:43] <loganaden> our group twitter id is: @hackersdotmu
[11:56:48] <JoeHallCDT> woo!
[11:57:58] <alp> whoward: https://netblocks.org/tmp/block-spec.png
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[12:00:49] <alp> whoward: this one is a little more refined than the one with the missing chart: https://netblocks.org/tmp/block-dash-chart.png
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[12:11:43] <nllz> Is it clear to everyone who will present which part?
[12:11:44] <whoward> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/17pG6uAb_0KUWIu9sguoLHotd9efJ5JrcRbLGuffTZI0/edit#slide=id.g2498056052_0_375
[12:12:07] <whoward> I'm doing the title page and the python crawler.
[12:14:11] <nllz> Alp does the javascript crawler
[12:14:15] <nllz> Ulrike does the WP plugin
[12:14:33] <nllz> dkg does the browser plugin
[12:14:57] <whoward> What about the reports? Who's discussing those?
[12:15:00] <nllz> Sunil HRIA
[12:15:18] <whoward> And the block collector?
[12:15:26] <nllz> Maria Paz implementation report
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[12:35:36] <nllz> \o/
[12:35:43] <nllz> managed within time!
[12:35:47] <nllz> awesome job all!
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[12:44:23] <loganaden> video online ?
[12:44:41] <JoeHallCDT> we have some pictures, sorry!
[12:45:23] <loganaden> url of pictures ?
[12:45:48] <JoeHallCDT> one sec!
[12:45:57] <JoeHallCDT> https://twitter.com/joebeone/status/886563510343184384
[12:46:01] <JoeHallCDT> sorry not the best!
[12:46:10] <JoeHallCDT> and have higher-res, etc. that I can post
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[13:14:18] <nllz> Aaaaaand the human rights considerations are now also in Internet Draft model http://digitaldissidents.org/draft-hrcRFC7725.html
[13:14:47] <nllz> Are you all okay if I push them tonight (when ID submissions reopens) as -00 drafts?
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[13:24:11] <JoeHallCDT> nice, I see no problem with that
[13:27:38] <dkg> nllz: what, no https?
[13:28:32] <nllz> check https://digitaldissident.org/ for that :)
[13:28:52] <nllz> the s is for non-TLS
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[13:41:32] <nllz> I think the last time I worked this intense for two days on one project with this many CS ppl was at NETmundial ahahahah
[13:42:21] <u> https://github.com/451hackathon/wp_error_code_451/issues/1 tarakiyee - are you interested in doing that?
[13:42:27] <u> it would allow us to propose the plugin to the official repository at some point
[13:42:55] <tarakiyee> yup
[13:45:00] <u> cool!
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[13:56:32] <loganaden> All good
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