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[07:59:59] <Barbara Stark> We're waiting for Ted Lemon et al
[08:00:17] <Mikael Abrahamsson> I'll be jabber scribe for this session, if you want something relayed to the mic, please prefix it with "to mic:"
[08:01:19] <sftcd> etherpad: http://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-104-homenet?useMonospaceFont=true
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[08:07:26] <sftcd> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lemon-homenet-review-00
[08:10:28] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Juliuz Chrobozek at mic (didn't have badge so spelling...)
[08:10:53] <sftcd> Juliusz
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[08:11:15] <sftcd> for remote folks, was Juliusz audible ok? (bit hard to hear from chair table)
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[08:14:25] <jch> Juliusz Chroboczek, sorry for lack of badge.
[08:14:34] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Robin Wilton at mic
[08:15:41] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Daniel Mcgault at mic
[08:15:57] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Migault I think it is
[08:16:16] <Éric Vyncke> indeed ;-)
[08:22:51] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Brian Volz at mic
[08:22:58] <Éric Vyncke> Bernie ;-)
[08:23:06] <Mikael Abrahamsson> yeah, my bad.
[08:25:44] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Juliusz Chromozek
[08:25:52] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Chrobozek
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[08:30:12] <Barbara Stark> Mikael Abrahamsson
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[08:33:09] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Christian Franke at mic
[08:36:17] <jch> Mikael, you do have a problem with my name's spelling ;-)
[08:36:21] <Éric Vyncke> Mikael Abrahamsson
[08:37:31] <Barbara Stark> I'm sure it was just a subconscious thing on Mikael's part. You're such a colorful personality. :)
[08:37:37] <Mikael Abrahamsson> jch: I'm equal opportunity misspeller today!
[08:38:06] <Mikael Abrahamsson> typos all around
[08:38:31] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Juliusz Chrobozek at mic
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[08:40:16] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Daniel Migault at mic
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[08:40:27] <jch> THe project is Secure-IoT-Home-Gateway.
[08:41:14] <sftcd> maybe that is https://github.com/CIRALabs/Secure-IoT-Home-Gateway
[08:41:28] <Éric Vyncke> (y)
[08:42:35] <Barbara Stark> Mikael Abrahamsson
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[08:49:45] <dave taht> +10
[08:51:07] <Barbara Stark> Mikael Abrahamsson
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[08:53:06] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Daniel Migault at mic
[08:56:19] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ted Lemon at mic
[08:56:43] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Tim Chown at mic
[08:58:21] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Robin Wilton at mic
[08:59:45] <dave taht> small business is important
[08:59:50] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Jacques Latour at mic
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[09:02:09] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ted Lemon at mic
[09:02:19] <sftcd> @dave taht: you're after ted
[09:03:53] <Mikael Abrahamsson> there is only static coming out
[09:04:12] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Juliusz Chrobozek at mic
[09:04:14] <dave taht> Sorry
[09:04:28] <sftcd> wanna try again or type it?
[09:04:50] <dave taht> My comment is, regarding the scope of homenet. I care about small and medium business networks, and how to deal with IoT there is very, very important.
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[09:05:08] <sftcd> @dave: will say that for ya
[09:05:10] <dave taht> There: multiple routers is imporant.
[09:05:19] <dave taht> There: Security is hugely important
[09:05:52] <sftcd> will channel
[09:06:36] <dave taht> There: good naming is desparately needed in an era where we rarely have control over the IPv6 delegation
[09:06:57] <dave taht> I'd write more... but that's my basic comment.
[09:07:14] <sftcd> ack, will inject when Juliusz done
[09:07:38] <dave taht> NOT intended for comment read aloud, is we've had working L3 mobility in babel for a decade. It's a great feature.
[09:07:54] <dave taht> and now it is secure. And it requires a very simple host change.
[09:08:07] <dave taht> NO
[09:08:12] <dave taht> Start at the beginning
[09:09:42] <dave taht> And I do that today with adhoc networking, unplugging my ethernet, staying up, going to the kitchen over wifi, and back, via ethernet.
[09:10:24] <dave taht> I actually have no issues with bridging wifi in small networks.
[09:12:13] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Juliusz Chrobozek at mic
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[09:12:43] <dave taht> Dear Ted: I intend lo make my "threat of helping" into reality.
[09:12:49] <dave taht> :)
[09:13:06] <dave taht> Can someone say that for me, after ted talks
[09:13:11] <sftcd> thanks! (in advance:-)
[09:13:41] <dave taht> jch: +999
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[09:16:31] <dave taht> recharter for home, small business, and medium size networks.?
[09:16:52] <dave taht> and host changes should be within scope
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[09:17:13] <jch> Hi Dave, thanks for the Brownie Points.
[09:17:26] <dave taht> those are vodka points
[09:17:29] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Robin Wilton at mic
[09:18:19] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ted Lemon at mic
[09:18:35] <dave taht> for the mic: I would support a recharter for home, small and medium busiess, and host changes should be within scope
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[09:21:51] <dave taht> recharter.
[09:22:06] <jch> Nah, let's produce code isntead.
[09:22:13] <dave taht> that too!!!!
[09:23:25] <Mikael Abrahamsson> why not both?
[09:23:42] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ted Lemon at mic
[09:24:22] <dave taht> I'd rather we met on boats, and over irc
[09:24:46] <jch> I'm on #babel.
[09:24:51] <jch> (Freenode)
[09:25:34] <dave taht> I'm on a boat.
[09:25:36] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Robin Wilton at mic
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[09:28:55] <dave taht> recharter now.
[09:29:04] <dave taht> can we have a hum on that only?
[09:29:24] <jch> Thomas Narten's excellent RFC?  Anyone know what Tim's referring to?
[09:30:10] <sftcd> the successful bof one, will fine # in a sec
[09:30:36] <sftcd> 5434
[09:30:54] <jch> ty
[09:31:23] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Daniel Migault at mic
[09:32:43] <dave taht> OT: But relevant to the ipv6 rollout, is my preso about the recent report from ICANN and other issues, here:
[09:32:44] <dave taht> http://flent-newark.bufferbloat.net/~d/IPv4%20Unicast%20Extensions3.pdf
[09:33:22] <dave taht> Hummmmmm
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[09:33:47] <dave taht> who won?
[09:34:00] <dave taht> memememememememem!
[09:34:10] <sftcd> 1 hum for not, many for re-chartering (where many ~=30)
[09:34:15] <dave taht> YEA!
[09:34:25] <dave taht> Need a bar for that.
[09:34:29] <dave taht> or a boat
[09:35:10] <sftcd> and the hum will be confirmed on the mailing list
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[09:35:23] <dave taht> to hell with hackathons. Do the work every day, meet every week.
[09:35:38] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ted Lemon at mic
[09:36:14] <dave taht> ted: +10
[09:36:30] <dave taht> someone feel free to repeat "To hell with hackathons"
[09:37:49] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Tim Chown at mic
[09:38:43] <dave taht> for the mic: To hell with hackathons! Do the work every day, meet every week, get builds done, do continuous integration, gather QA an testers, and iterate, iterate, iterate.
[09:39:10] <dave taht> (feel free to say heck, instead)
[09:39:11] <jch> How do you say "boat" in Czech?
[09:40:29] <dave taht> Houseboat Dock Strakonická 3212/4A, 150 00 Praha-Smíchov, Czechia https://maps.app.goo.gl/V4Qix
[09:41:38] <Éric Vyncke> Wow going from a sleeping list to continuous integration in one meeting...
[09:41:57] <dave taht> Heh. Finished sch_cake last year, proposed SCE this ietf, have some spare time finally
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[09:42:17] <dave taht> I used to do that, all the !@#! time for cerowrt, and with that openwrt made ipv6 launch day in fine shape.
[09:42:32] <Éric Vyncke> ;-)
[09:42:54] <dave taht> +999
[09:43:05] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Juliusz Chrobozek at mic
[09:43:07] <dave taht> hha
[09:43:11] <dave taht> hhhahahhahaha
[09:43:12] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ted Lemon at mic
[09:43:28] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Terry Manderson at mic
[09:43:40] <dave taht> CLARIFICATIONS?
[09:43:43] <dave taht> ahhhhh
[09:44:00] <dave taht> where's a text? how do we submit a new charter?
[09:44:11] <sftcd> send mail to list
[09:44:31] <Mikael Abrahamsson> dave: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/homenet/about/ is current charter
[09:44:57] <sftcd> we can try reduce list discussion to charter text after discussion seems to be happening
[09:45:05] <dave taht> Sure wish that project manager position was paid for by someone.
[09:45:11] <Barbara Stark> If there's willingness, we could work charter ob github. But it requires willingness
[09:45:23] <dave taht> GITHUB for charter discussion YES!
[09:45:27] <Barbara Stark> s/ob/on/
[09:46:11] <dave taht> charter discussion on github, issue tracker, etc.
[09:47:21] <Mikael Abrahamsson> Ted Lemon at mic
[09:47:23] <jch> Mikael: +1
[09:47:25] <dave taht> https://github.com/dtaht/homenet2
[09:47:35] <dave taht> someone check in the current charter
[09:47:42] <jch> ty
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