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David Schinazi has set the subject to: Homenet @ IETF 100 (Singapore)
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[19:26:51] <Dave Thaler> Finally got connected, I'm now jabber scribing
[19:27:02] <sftcd> thanks Dave
[19:27:28] <Dave Thaler> Daniel Migault presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-homenet-outsourcing-home-network-authoritative-naming-service-00
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[19:28:51] <Dave Thaler> if any remote person wants a comment related to the mic please prefix with "MIC:" otherwise I will assume you can get into the meetecho queue and speak there
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[19:36:10] <Dave Thaler> Ted Lemon at mic
[19:37:31] <Dave Thaler> Jacques Latour at mic
[19:38:11] <Dave Thaler> Ted
[19:39:34] <Dave Thaler> ACTION ITEM: Stephen asked Jacques to send his feedback to the list
[19:39:59] <Dave Thaler> Denis D vis meetecho
[19:40:15] <Dave Thaler> Denis Ovsienko that is
[19:40:16] <sftcd> meetecho: remote audio is crackly
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[19:41:47] <meetecho> He's like that in Meetecho as well, may be a local mic issue
[19:41:56] <meetecho> Doesn't sound like a packet loss problem
[19:41:58] <sftcd> thanks
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[19:45:42] <Dave Thaler> Juliusz Chroboczek via meetecho
[19:45:46] <Dave Thaler> yes
[19:46:25] <sftcd> @juliusz you're going muted every time you lean back
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[19:47:10] DavidSchinazi has set the subject to: Homenet @ IETF 102
[19:47:34] <Dave Thaler> your mic might be doing silence suppression so speak loudly into the mic (we got most of it :)
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[19:49:56] <Dave Thaler> Mark Andrews at mic
[19:52:02] <Dave Thaler> we lost audio there
[19:52:04] <Denis Ovsienko> it scales much better, period
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[19:52:48] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Hand!
[19:52:51] <Dave Thaler> Barbara: take this issue to the list (action item for Julius maybe?)
[19:52:59] <Denis Ovsienko> not that a typical home network needs it, but notwithstanding the fact
[19:53:12] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Denis, agreed.
[19:53:27] <Dave Thaler> Barbara Stark presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-homenet-babel-security-in-homenet-01
[19:55:21] <Dave Thaler> Ted Lemon
[19:55:45] <Dave Thaler> David Schinazi
[19:56:45] <Juliusz Chroboczek> mic: yes, October.
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[19:57:11] <Dave Thaler> Phil Hallam Baker (notetaker) asking Ted and David to post comments to the list, since note taker didn't get it
[19:57:51] <Dave Thaler> Ted Lemon presenting on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-homenet-naming-slides-01
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[20:03:06] <ajs> It has occurred to me that it would be possible to do this service discovery via a .arpa name with an SRV, rather the way pref64 for DNS64 and so on do this.
[20:03:48] <ajs> (i.e. to discover the global name)
[20:03:57] <Dave Thaler> @andrew: I'm jabber scribe.  is that a side comment, or somethign you're going to say in the meeting? or something you want a mic relay for.  I'm assuming no mic relay unless MIC: prefixed
[20:04:23] <ajs> No mic.  Just a side comment.  It's not a proposal, just a dumb idea
[20:04:32] <Dave Thaler> ack
[20:04:36] <sftcd> and andrew's even here now:-)
[20:05:26] <Dave Thaler> Robin WIlton at mic
[20:05:55] <Dave Thaler> or Robert Wilton (not sure which...)
[20:06:41] <sftcd> Robin
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[20:08:23] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Which merely indicates that DNS is the wrong place to do routing optimisation.  (Not for mic.)
[20:08:55] <ajs> Ok, but I fear that horse has sailed, ship left the barn, and so on.
[20:09:02] <Dave Thaler> Phil Prindeville at mic
[20:09:34] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Grumble.
[20:09:46] <ajs> Me too :)
[20:10:12] <Daniel Kaiser> @ajs the discussed draft uses the services.arpa domain for constrained devices.
[20:10:44] <ajs> Interesting.  I missed that part somehow
[20:11:02] <ajs> (Well, probably forgot it.  I should reread.  Thanks.)
[20:11:25] <Daniel Kaiser> Section 2 conains an overview.
[20:11:35] <Daniel Kaiser> *contains
[20:13:51] <Dave Thaler> Phil Hallam-Baker at mic
[20:14:14] <Dave Thaler> Phil Prindeville
[20:15:24] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Ther's ICMP node queries, which play the same role and are end-to-end.  (not for mic)
[20:16:09] <Daniel Kaiser> @ajs The service.arpa domain is only part of the latest version of the draft which was just published on 14/07
[20:17:04] <Dave Thaler> @Julius: yes Node Information Queries were originally defined to solved that but almost no one implemented or deployed them, and even when implemented the firewall (e.g. a host firewall) may block them
[20:17:08] <Dave Thaler> Phil Prindeville at mic
[20:17:43] <Juliusz Chroboczek> I guess somebody should implement them in OpenWRT.
[20:17:58] <Dave Thaler> Stuart Cheshire
[20:20:39] <Dave Thaler> David Schinazi
[20:21:14] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Wow, David sounds really authoritative ;-)  (Not for mic.)
[20:22:17] <Daniel Kaiser> :D
[20:23:21] <Dave Thaler> Phil Prindeville
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[20:24:20] <Dave Thaler> Robin Wilton
[20:29:18] <ajs> I really hate the idea of overloading that search list.
[20:29:26] <ajs> it sucks, but re-using it sucks harder
[20:29:35] <Juliusz Chroboczek> ajs, me too.
[20:29:37] <Dave Thaler> me too
[20:30:58] <Dave Thaler> Phil Hallam-Baker
[20:33:42] <Dave Thaler> Mark Andrews
[20:34:20] <Dave Thaler> Juliusz via meetecho
[20:34:36] <Daniel Kaiser> :D
[20:34:52] <DavidSchinazi> Do you want to say it in jabber?
[20:34:57] <Juliusz Chroboczek> mic:
[20:35:18] <Juliusz Chroboczek> We need a prototype to play with all of these ideas.  What's the implementation status, can we have an implementation to play with?
[20:36:21] <Dave Thaler> (relayed)
[20:36:26] <Juliusz Chroboczek> ty
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[20:39:44] <Dave Thaler> Ted Lemon now presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-homenet-whats-left-00
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[20:45:33] <Dave Thaler> Phil Prindeville
[20:46:44] <Juliusz Chroboczek> mic: that's supposed to be fixed by ULA.
[20:46:55] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Meetecho, I cannot hear the speaker.
[20:47:58] <meetecho> Sounds fine here
[20:48:12] <meetecho> Or did you mean someone in the mic lines?
[20:48:28] <Juliusz Chroboczek> The mi line, wondering if something's wrong.
[20:48:33] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Never mind.
[20:48:44] <Dave Thaler> meeting is wrapping up
[20:49:14] <Dave Thaler> "and some headphones hopefully" was the comment from somewehre in the audience
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[20:49:15] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Thanks to the chairs.
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[20:49:16] <Dave Thaler> meeting done
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