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[12:03:12] <Barbara Stark> Starting with Chair Slides. Imminently. Chair Slides
[12:03:30] <Barbara Stark> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/slides/slides-96-homenet-0.pdf
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[12:04:06] <Barbara Stark> Ray Bellis speaking
[12:04:45] <Barbara Stark> Agenda slide
[12:05:13] <Andrew Sullivan> I don't know about others, but I'm finding it hard, with the acoustics in the room, to understand Ray at the rate he's speaking.  Are others having a similar problem?
[12:05:39] <Barbara Stark> Better?
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[12:06:10] <Barbara Stark> WG Update slide
[12:06:13] <Andrew Sullivan> thanks.  We'll see.  I think the real problem is that the room is too live for the number of people in it :-/  And I'm going deaf, probably :)
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[12:08:09] <Barbara Stark> HNCP Deployment Experiences - Juliusz Chroboczek
[12:08:22] <Barbara Stark> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/slides/slides-96-homenet-1.pdf
[12:08:29] <Barbara Stark> Slide 2
[12:09:30] <Barbara Stark> Slide 3
[12:09:42] Barbara Stark has set the subject to: Homenet @ IETF96
[12:09:48] <Barbara Stark> Slide 4
[12:10:33] <Barbara Stark> Slide 5
[12:11:02] <Barbara Stark> Slide 6
[12:11:42] <Barbara Stark> Slde 7
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[12:13:16] <Dave Thaler> hmm.  this talk isn't making me feel good.
[12:14:20] <Barbara Stark> Slide 8
[12:14:47] <Andrew Sullivan> @Dave: the nature of "good" and "feeling" may differ across instances ;-)
[12:15:02] <Barbara Stark> Slide 9
[12:16:33] <Barbara Stark> Slide 10
[12:17:27] <Barbara Stark> Slide 11
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[12:18:29] <Barbara Stark> Slide 12
[12:18:51] <Barbara Stark> Slide 13
[12:19:15] <Barbara Stark> Wait, that seems to be Slide 12 part 2
[12:19:37] <Barbara Stark> Now Slide 13
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[12:20:22] <Barbara Stark> Slide 14
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[12:22:28] <Barbara Stark> Slide 15
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[12:23:15] <Barbara Stark> Slide 16
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[12:24:57] <Barbara Stark> Pierre Pfister speaking
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[12:26:46] <Barbara Stark> Lorenzo at mic
[12:29:03] <Andrew Sullivan> This seems to be an effort to engineer social decisions into the protocol so that the protocol enforces policy preferences.
[12:29:05] <Barbara Stark> Lorenzo Colitti, to be more specific
[12:29:13] <Dave Thaler> this discussion seems to be out of scope for homenet
[12:29:23] <Andrew Sullivan> +1
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[12:33:22] <Barbara Stark> Musa Stephen Honlue at mic
[12:34:06] <Barbara Stark> Naming Architecture and Service Discovery presented by Ted Lemon
[12:34:23] <Barbara Stark> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/slides/slides-96-homenet-2.pdf
[12:34:50] <Barbara Stark> Slide 2
[12:35:23] <Barbara Stark> Slide 3
[12:36:35] <Barbara Stark> Ray Bellis interrupted
[12:37:25] <Barbara Stark> Andrew Sullivan at mic
[12:38:12] <Barbara Stark> Slide 4
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[12:39:56] <Barbara Stark> Slide 5
[12:41:43] <Barbara Stark> Slide 6
[12:44:22] <Barbara Stark> Slide 8
[12:44:56] <Barbara Stark> Slide 9
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[12:45:26] <Barbara Stark> Slide 10
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[12:46:26] <Barbara Stark> Slide 11
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[12:47:46] <Barbara Stark> Juliusz Chroboczek at mic
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[12:56:41] <jch> Andew Sullivan: Re: " This seems to be an effort to engineer social decisions into the protocol so that the protocol enforces policy preferences.", could you please explain what you mean (perhaps during the break).
[12:57:32] <Barbara Stark> Ray Bellis speaking
[12:57:38] <Barbara Stark> Any hms?
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[12:57:50] <Dave Thaler> (I gotta go to tsvarea now to present...)
[12:57:54] <Mark Townsley> Thanks Dave Thaler for your comment.
[12:57:57] <Mark Townsley> I think it makes a lot of sense
[12:58:08] <Mark Townsley> It's basically what we called the "Thaler Doctrine" in the past
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[12:58:29] <Mark Townsley> (well, almost… Thaler Doctrine was also about host changes or not)
[12:59:39] <Barbara Stark> Mark Townsley showing a slide regarding the .home errata against RFC7788
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[13:00:23] <Barbara Stark> draft-ietf-homenet-hncp-bis-00
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[13:01:23] <suzworldwide@jabber.org> I agreed with Dave Thaler's comment except I would have said a *minimum* of three contexts
[13:01:30] <suzworldwide@jabber.org> which is one of the reasons why this stuff is hard.
[13:01:39] <Mark Townsley> IETF Jedi Mind Trick
[13:02:03] <Barbara Stark> Jari Arkko at mic
[13:04:43] <Barbara Stark> Mark Townsley presenting slide on .home options
[13:05:09] <Barbara Stark> Ted Lemon at mic
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[13:06:47] <Dave Thaler> @suz: agree
[13:07:13] <Barbara Stark> Terry Manderson
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[13:10:09] <Barbara Stark> Mark Townsley presenting a slide with options
[13:12:34] <Barbara Stark> Rau Bellis opining
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[13:12:44] <Barbara Stark> Ray Bellis, I meant
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[13:15:39] <Barbara Stark> Steven Barth at mic
[13:15:49] <Brian Carpenter> It is not true that the header of an obsoleted/updated RFC changes to indicate this. The text of an RFC *never* changes.
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[13:17:20] <Ted Lemon> Yeah, I was wondering about that.
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[13:19:15] <jch> Hear, hear.
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[13:19:35] <Brian Carpenter> I believe that the htmlized version at tools.ietf.org will link to the updates, but that is not the official source of RFCs.
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[13:22:03] <Barbara Stark> Mark Townsley added option 4 to the slide: Option 3 + move quickly for .home or .homenet via RFC 6761 process beginning with draft-cheshire-homenet-dot-home
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[13:22:47] <Barbara Stark> And then Mark changed it to remove STuart's draft from the option
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[13:23:13] <Barbara Stark> Suzanne Woolf at mic
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[13:28:33] <Barbara Stark> James Woodyatt at mic
[13:28:49] <Francisco Arias> why not option 1 with added text recommending implementers to use a public DNS name (e.g., a name registered with an existing TLD) in order to avoid "root zone pollution" while special names procedure can be run?
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[13:29:11] <Barbara Stark> Jari Arkko replies
[13:29:54] <Barbara Stark> Andrew Sullivan declines having the last word
[13:30:14] <Barbara Stark> Ray Bellis closes things out
[13:30:45] <Barbara Stark> Ted Lemon at mic: Add option 5 of "Do Nothing"
[13:30:56] <suzworldwide@jabber.org> The fact that Stuart's draft has been out for a couple of years and no one's tried to push it through the process doesn't mean its reasoning is generally conceded to be right. It could just as easily mean it's not persuaded someone (me, for example) but there's not seemed to be a lot of point in actively fighting it.
[13:31:01] <Barbara Stark> Mark Townsley refuses.
[13:31:29] <Barbara Stark> Anyone on jabber want to hum an option?
[13:32:10] <jch> or else?
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[13:32:54] <Barbara Stark> @jch: Oh, you really don't want to know.
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[13:33:03] <jch> k
[13:33:29] <Barbara Stark> Bye y'all and thanks for being such an easy chatroom
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