[12:49:27] Katrin Hoeper joins the room [12:57:21] semery joins the room [13:07:06] rafa.marinlopez joins the room [13:07:33] Yoshi joins the room [13:11:02] behcet.sarikaya joins the room [13:11:38] clatze joins the room [13:17:51] lifenghua@gmail.com joins the room [13:18:22] David Cooper joins the room [13:19:19] belorn joins the room [13:19:24] TomTaylor joins the room [13:19:46] HUI joins the room [13:19:53] rababy joins the room [13:20:08] Simon Josefsson joins the room [13:21:19] polk.tim joins the room [13:27:53] Glen presented statement of problem in RFC 5296. Now responding to questions for clarification. [13:28:18] are there slides on this topic? [13:28:29] Just a sec [13:28:34] Alan DeKok joins the room [13:28:59] Tim Polk speaking [13:29:23] katrin: no [13:30:06] Where are slides uploaded? [13:30:57] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/75/agenda/hokey.htm [13:31:39] Simon Mizokovsky speaking [13:32:37] Lionel speaking [13:35:42] HannesTschofenig joins the room [13:36:11] Talking about potential optimization to RFC 5296 [13:36:49] Can Tom summarize the restriction of erp explicit bootstrapping for remote participants? [13:37:56] Glen suggests in many circumstances it is unnecessary to go back to the home AAA server just to fetch the local domain name. The local domain already has the keying material. [13:38:35] If contact with the home AAA server is lost, handover may be unnecessarily blocked [13:39:18] The local domain name can be advertised by lower layer, no? [13:41:43] Next topic: AAA components [13:44:57] Glen has charts. Apparently there is a meeting materials site that has charts. I'll publish URL when I find it [13:45:24] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/75/slides/hokey-9.ppt [13:45:52] Thanks [13:46:00] slide 1 [13:46:02] linked from http://tools.ietf.org/wg/hokey/agenda [13:47:06] The only reason for the lack of progress is that you, Glen, delayed the work. [13:47:17] I never asked you, Glen, to be the editor. [13:47:22] We already have 5 authors on the document. [13:48:44] The RADIUS slide is up [13:48:44] (Btw, I am one of the co-chair of the DIME group. I wonder who has asked you.) [13:49:12] To elaborate on the delay: You claimed that the AAA aspects have not been thought through enough and we had to wait for a "framework" document that never showed up. [13:49:28] I don't believe that this is such a complex problem. [13:50:12] Decugis Sébastien has been working hard in the group to make progress on the document. With the meeting yesterday we decided to go for an Application-ID. This was a major design decision. [13:50:17] andrew.leu joins the room [13:50:29] If there is another way to make more progress please drop a mail to the list. [13:50:56] Diameter chart is up [13:51:40] Hannes, it seems like your remarks would be appropriately relayed when discussion of the proposal begins [13:51:53] What's need chart is up [13:52:27] Listening to the presentation I get the impression that Glen wants to hijack the work in DIME. This is really unbelievable. [13:52:41] A [proposal chart [13:53:18] I am sick (that's why I am not in the meeting) but I am not stupid. [13:53:30] Hannes: he discussed this with Victor yesterday [13:53:40] This will be discussed with Dan and Tim (the ADs) [13:54:35] As I understand Hannes wishes to keep ERP application document in dime, right? [13:55:57] That's something, I agree Tim. [13:56:47] hokey joins the room [13:57:13] hi [13:57:31] Why are you surprised, Glen. [13:58:03] hokey leaves the room [13:58:09] Tim [13:58:11] Then why do you think work will go faster in HOKEY? [13:58:16] Tina TSOU joins the room [13:58:26] I stop here. [14:01:38] HUI leaves the room [14:05:52] behcet.sarikaya leaves the room [14:06:18] Glen, 802.21a is making use of HOKEY work, not hijacking. [14:06:28] Lionel [14:09:49] No "anti" hums [14:10:08] David Cooper leaves the room [14:10:28] Tim asking how many would edit or otherwise contribute? [14:11:03] I would [14:11:24] at least 5-6 [14:11:39] Alan DeKok leaves the room [14:11:59] rafa.marinlopez leaves the room [14:12:00] andrew.leu leaves the room [14:12:13] lifenghua@gmail.com leaves the room [14:12:35] belorn leaves the room [14:12:46] Glen is in a funny mood today [14:12:59] he is [14:13:14] he is in orange today [14:13:22] I want the same stuff he takes [14:13:31] Simon Josefsson leaves the room [14:13:38] Yoshi leaves the room [14:13:52] rababy leaves the room [14:14:15] semery leaves the room [14:15:15] clatze leaves the room [14:16:41] TomTaylor leaves the room [14:16:45] polk.tim leaves the room [14:16:58] HannesTschofenig leaves the room [14:19:13] clatze joins the room [14:20:29] Katrin Hoeper leaves the room [14:40:34] clatze leaves the room [14:53:25] Tina TSOU leaves the room