[10:09:35] Tobias Heer joins the room [10:20:59] Tobias Heer leaves the room [10:48:59] Tobias Heer joins the room [10:49:36] Andrew McGregor joins the room [10:51:51] Hi andrew! [10:52:48] Tobias Heer leaves the room [10:53:02] Tobias Heer joins the room [10:53:44] Hugh_Daniel joins the room [11:01:13] Meeting starting, hi all. [11:01:45] Does everyone have audio? [11:01:47] it would be great if someone could mention slide numbers here [11:01:50] jpc joins the room [11:01:52] Ok [11:01:59] Works. [11:02:13] Melinda joins the room [11:02:52] Tom's intro, slide 3 [11:04:04] 4 [11:05:22] 5 [11:05:26] 6 [11:05:39] thanks andrew :-) [11:06:42] 7 [11:08:08] 8 [11:09:33] 9 [11:10:07] 10 [11:10:59] 11 [11:11:02] 12 [11:11:57] 13 [11:12:46] paventhan joins the room [11:13:42] Gyu Myoung Lee [11:13:47] First slide [11:14:35] (HIP support for rfids, http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-hiprg-rfid-02.txt) [11:16:36] Slide 2 (sorry, late) [11:16:40] 3 [11:18:34] 5 [11:19:24] 6 [11:20:00] 7 [11:20:16] 8 [11:20:26] 9 [11:20:35] 10 [11:21:12] Questions? [11:21:50] I don't, sorry [11:23:02] Back to 7 [11:25:17] Bob Moskowitz [11:25:19] its not audible [11:25:19] ari joins the room [11:25:44] (mic trouble earlier, now sorted) [11:25:48] healthyao2000 joins the room [11:30:26] I guess blind addresses a much larger problem - but thats for the list [11:31:06] Dacheng Zhang, HIP Proxies [11:31:27] 2 [11:31:41] 3 [11:33:56] 4 [11:35:07] 5 [11:35:57] 6 [11:36:23] ari leaves the room [11:36:40] 7 [11:37:35] 8 [11:38:18] 9 [11:38:21] 10 [11:38:49] 11 [11:39:09] 12 [11:39:17] ari joins the room [11:40:16] 13 [11:40:24] End [11:41:26] could the terminology be further improved? DI1-3 is not very descriptive? [11:41:49] Already addressed, that was one of the changes he made. [11:41:54] Revocation draft now. [11:42:00] ah, I see [11:42:11] Slide title is 'What Changed (1)' [11:42:13] sorry, I misread his slide 3 [11:42:47] What Changed (2) [11:43:35] What Else? [11:47:54] ari leaves the room [11:49:26] Bob Moskowitz, HIP diet exchange [11:50:05] Rene joins the room [11:51:08] (first slide just came up, Bob has just been talking to the room) [11:51:55] (slides are not the same as online) [11:51:58] Slide 2 [11:52:16] 3 [11:52:38] healthyao2000 leaves the room [11:53:58] Jacky Yao (Health Yao) joins the room [11:55:45] The IESG has requested flexibility in the choice of KDFs for 5201. Maybe we should add the flexibility there. [11:56:09] Sure, but the DEX can't have flexibility… it's going to be baked into silicon. [11:56:30] well… it would implement that one choice (CMAC) [11:56:43] In some sense, this is a suite for -bis, sure. [11:56:49] yes [11:56:55] Slide 4 [11:57:16] I expect all these primitives to be also available in BEX-bis. [11:57:42] (eventually) [11:58:06] well… the kdf has to be specified somewhere else. otherwise 5201-bis will be extremely long and complex. we just need the negotiation in there [11:58:50] I don't think there's a big problem with 5201-bis being long [11:58:53] 5 [11:59:19] 5201 wasn't the shortest document, after all [11:59:27] I take issue with it … I wouldn't want it to be a monster nobody can implement [11:59:39] it is already too long ;-) [12:00:13] But, having implemented a few protocols, I get annoyed where I need 10 documents to understand what the protocol is. So having all those primitives in one doc or several doesn't really make any difference. [12:00:23] 6 [12:00:44] the signing was mainly good for middleboxes anyway [12:02:55] 7 [12:04:09] ari joins the room [12:04:57] 8 [12:07:34] 9 [12:09:11] 10 [12:12:03] Questions? [12:16:39] Jani Pellikka, Certificate Requests [12:16:42] Tobias Heer leaves the room [12:17:03] paventhan leaves the room [12:17:10] 1/4 [12:17:56] Tobias Heer joins the room [12:18:01] 2/4 [12:18:26] 3/4 [12:19:51] 4/4 [12:19:58] Oops, not yet [12:19:58] ari leaves the room [12:20:08] 4/4 [12:22:25] Zhen Cao, HIP Flow Mobility [12:23:05] 2nd slide [12:24:48] 3rd [12:25:28] 4 [12:26:45] 5 [12:27:03] (E-Locator Format) [12:27:36] Rene leaves the room [12:27:39] is using the flag really a good option? [12:27:49] Wouldn't it be better to have a new type? [12:28:10] If a host does not understand the elocator, the failsafe mechanism with the critical bit will fail. [12:28:19] could someone relay this? [12:28:27] About to [12:29:01] Rene joins the room [12:29:23] exactly [12:32:10] thanks andrew! [12:32:11] Zhen Cao, Communication between a HIP-enabled Host and a Legacy Host [12:34:57] Slide title is "the problem" (sorry lost count) [12:35:08] its 5 :-) [12:35:49] "Our Proposal" [12:37:35] Other considerations [12:38:38] Question: will the HIP host be able to figure out if it is talking to a HIP Proxy instead of a HIP host? [12:39:43] If no, the "may be protected" in the "other considerations" slide may really hurt because the HIP host will assume a secure connection. [12:41:20] I think it would not hurt to indicate that there is a proxy [12:41:27] and it would not be hard to do it [12:41:54] if there was an indication, the HIP host could apply some policy [12:43:14] Dmitriy Kuptsov, Hierarchical Host Identity Tags [12:44:03] slide 2 [12:44:50] Rene leaves the room [12:46:02] 3 [12:48:31] 4 [12:52:19] Is there a paper or a draft? [12:52:32] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuptsov-hhit-02 [12:52:37] ah, thanks [12:53:05] whee, thats short :-) good. 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