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[14:06:16] <Meetecho> To all remote attendees: please get in queue only when your turn to present comes, or if you have questions. You're muted by default when you join, so no need to press the mic/webcam icon initially.
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[14:22:35] <Szilveszter Nadas> whar is the unm ute botton?
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[14:27:52] <Alexandre Petrescu> The link https://github.com/EricssonResearch/spindump does not work when browsed from an IPv6-only computer (IPv4 stack turned off).
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[14:29:48] <Szilveszter Nadas> For presenterts: enter the sharing queue 1st. Then when your screen is visible also enter video and audio queue to be able to send your voice and video.
[14:30:33] <Szilveszter Nadas> @alexandre does other github sites working?
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[14:30:40] <Szilveszter Nadas> I guss ot to be a github issue
[14:30:45] <Szilveszter Nadas> *guess
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[14:31:13] <Charles Eckel> I believe so, GitHub limitation
[14:31:18] <Alexandre Petrescu> https://github.com/mlichvar/ntske-test
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[14:33:03] <Karen O'Donoghue> as a side note, the NTP wg is working on an alternate port draft
[14:33:26] <Alexandre Petrescu> what does i tmen?  NTP on non-123?
[14:33:41] <Karen O'Donoghue> yes
[14:34:03] <Szilveszter Nadas> @Charles, your video is gone.
[14:34:04] <Alexandre Petrescu> I wonder whether there is an NTP service I could try on an IPv6-only computer.
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[14:36:16] <Charles Eckel> Thanks @Szilveszter, I'll switch back on later
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[14:39:09] <Charles Eckel> Nex up will be BGP Monitoring Protocol (BMP), Thomas Graf
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[14:39:42] <Szilveszter Nadas> @Tom: What bottleneck speeds can you measure in ns3 and/or cloudlab? Is there any limitation?
[14:41:07] <Szilveszter Nadas> Thanks
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[14:42:07] <Szilveszter Nadas> @Tom what is the reason of stidying these smaller speeds of 50-100 Mbps? Who can I contact to discuss that?
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[14:47:12] <Phil Roberts> @Alexandre, most of the NTS enabled NTP servers prefer IPv6
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[14:48:47] <Phil Roberts> @Alexandre, you can point to nts.ntp.se
[14:48:52] <Phil Roberts> there are others also
[14:49:47] <Charles Eckel> Next up DNSSEC, TLS, and HTTP/3, Loganaden Velvindron
[14:49:52] <Loganaden Velvindron> Charles
[14:49:58] <Loganaden Velvindron> @jaykishan
[14:50:06] <Loganaden Velvindron> jaykishan is presenting
[14:50:10] <Loganaden Velvindron> i have an issue with my lapto
[14:50:13] <Loganaden Velvindron> laptop
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[14:52:03] <Tom Henderson> @Sylvester, the reason for studying 50-100 Mb/s is that these rates are typical for access links (where bottlenecks are expected) and because the architecture is more challenged to deliver low latency at lower bottleneck rates
[14:52:17] <Loganaden Velvindron> charles, can you open the presentation ?
[14:52:40] <Tom Henderson> Also, Ashutosh informed me that the wired links on the Cloudlab Wisconsin cluster have around 10 Gbps capacity
[14:52:43] <Loganaden Velvindron> https://github.com/IETF-Hackathon/ietf108-project-presentations/blob/master/hackathon-presentation-dnssec_tls_http3.pptx
[14:52:44] <Szilveszter Nadas> @Tom Thanks.
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[14:53:15] <Loganaden Velvindron> thanks.
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[14:54:15] <Meetecho> If you have to present and are using a Mac, please make sure you follow the instructions described here: https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/Documentation-Meetecho-IETF.pdf
[14:54:49] <alexamirante> This applies to MacOS Catalina only ^
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[14:54:56] <Meetecho> Some system preferences need tobe set, or the browser won't be able to access your screen (which is the issue Jay experienced, likely)
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[14:56:03] <Alexandre Petrescu> I wonder whether there is an HTTP3 server public, that I could try from my IPv6-only client (IPv4 stack turned off)
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[14:58:09] <Meetecho> Brendan Moran: you need to press the mic and screen icons too
[14:58:14] <Meetecho> They're separate permissions
[14:59:02] <Szilveszter Nadas> @meetecho maybe a single button enter all queues would be more intuitive.
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[14:59:30] <Meetecho> It's done on purpose, not everyone wants to send video too to make questions
[14:59:33] <alexamirante> Szilveszter Nadas: in that case you would automatically request all media and you may not want to e.g. send video
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[15:01:02] <Dhruv Dhody> Maybe video, should enable audio by default?
[15:01:18] <Szilveszter Nadas> I guess the most common case is to enter all 3 queues, with the right tooltips that would help. "like screen sharing only", "enter all 3 queues share+audio+video". But is this ok this way, once you used it.
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[15:01:39] <Alexandre Petrescu> IT is a known issue to have to restart the session ('reload')  in order to give access to camera/mic devices.  IT is the only way to switch among these devices, ahen the client is 'in-browser'.  That is a problem.  The switch between devices should be straightforward, without having to 'reload'.
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[15:01:58] <Meetecho> We'll take this feedback into account for next time, thanks! I'm afraid we won't be able to make changes now, the meeting is just behind the corner :)
[15:02:12] <Szilveszter Nadas> Of course. Thanks.
[15:02:31] <Meetecho> We recorded a tutorial that explains how the UI works, to help people familiarize with the different options
[15:03:17] <Dhruv Dhody> The video was really good, thanks for that. I will forward it to all presenters in my WG.
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[15:03:35] <alexamirante> Alexandre Petrescu: the issue the previous speaker was having is actually an os-level restriction enforced by MacOS Catalina. You cannot share your screen if the  browser you're using is not flagged-in in System Preferences >> Privacy Settings
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[15:04:39] <alexamirante> You may want to guess what's the only browser that doesn't need to be explicitly flagged... :)
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[15:05:12] <Alexandre Petrescu> :-)
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[15:05:57] <Alexandre Petrescu> I wonder whether there is a browser that allows meetecho UI (me clicking buttons on that UI) to select among the list of mics and cameras available.
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[15:06:40] <Meetecho> Alexandre Petrescu: you're given that choice when you first join
[15:06:56] <Meetecho> There's a preflight dialog and from there you can pick the mic/webcam to use
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[15:07:12] <Meetecho> I have two of each and it works for me
[15:07:22] <Alexandre Petrescu> I want to join and then select another headphone, because battery lasts just one hour (small auricular)
[15:07:45] <Alexandre Petrescu> I dont want preflight, I want inflight
[15:08:53] <alexamirante> Alexandre Petrescu: with Firefox you can be prompted which device you want to use every time you enable your mike, unless you tell not to ask you anymore
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[15:09:10] <alexamirante> I'm talking about *capture* device of course
[15:09:14] <Alexandre Petrescu> I did not ask to not ask me anymore
[15:09:45] <Alexandre Petrescu> For example, right now, in the session, can you change your headset without having to leave?
[15:10:00] <alexamirante> If you're talking about audio playout, than you must act from the OS audio settings
[15:10:16] <Alexandre Petrescu> ok, camera then
[15:10:48] <alexamirante> same: firefox asks you which camera you want to use every time you try to send video
[15:10:49] <Alexandre Petrescu> I have 2 builtin cameras in the laptop and one on USB.
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[15:11:20] <alexamirante> chrome remembers your decision and automatically sets it as default. firefox always asks
[15:11:28] <Alexandre Petrescu> alexamirante, yes, it asks me pre-flight, but not inflight.
[15:11:35] <alexamirante> also inflight
[15:11:52] <Alexandre Petrescu> how can I make my firefox ask me now which camera to use?
[15:12:05] <Meetecho> It only asks when you ask for the video floor
[15:12:09] <alexamirante> if you try to send videos and the chairs allows you to do so, firefox would ask you again which device you want to use
[15:12:36] <Alexandre Petrescu> I just entered the video queue, and it did not ask me anything.
[15:12:47] <alexamirante> because you're still non allowed to send
[15:12:57] <Meetecho> As Alessandro said, you need to wait for the chair to give you the floor
[15:12:59] <alexamirante> it the chair gives you the floor, you will be asked
[15:13:01] <Alexandre Petrescu> entering the video queue is what you mean by'try to send video'?
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[15:14:11] <alexamirante> that's the moment when the browser tries to access your capture devices and asks which one you want to use. not when you raise your hand, but when your request it approved by the chair
[15:14:13] <Meetecho> Yes, but that's not enough: a video floor request must be accepted, before we try and access the webcam
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[15:15:13] <Alexandre Petrescu> I suspect, if the chair approves my request to send video, I will have very little time to select camera...  I think I never got accepted such a request, I never saw that offer to select the camera.
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[15:16:35] <alexamirante> You can take as much time you want to select camera, there isn't any timeout on that.
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[15:17:59] <Alexandre Petrescu> I wonder whether there was any earlier hackathon presentation that did use something else than github to share code?
[15:20:21] <Alexandre Petrescu> thanks!
[15:21:16] <Alexandre Petrescu> DEVNET
[15:21:25] <Alexandre Petrescu> developer.cisco.com does not work fom an IPv6-only client
[15:23:08] <Dhruv Dhody> Have a good weekend! See you Monday!
[15:23:16] <Alexandre Petrescu> thanks for the organisati
[15:23:20] <Karen O'Donoghue> Thanks Charles! (and thanks meetecho!)
[15:23:24] <Szilveszter Nadas> Thanks for organizing it!
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[15:23:32] <Walter Cerroni> Thanks! Bye
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