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[13:05:08]  shouldn't there be more than 2 of us in this room?
[13:06:49]  It's very exclusive
[13:06:54]  Alissa: issue with policy URI was that it had a normative reference to a document moved to dead state
[13:07:02]  … has now been removed, so we're good
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[13:07:52]  Martin: submitted a draft, a merge of uncertainty and confidence, as discussed at last meeting
[13:08:02]  … editing required to prevent duplication
[13:08:17]  … an applicability statement
[13:08:44]  … regarding some concerns expressed at the last meeting
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[13:09:01]  … a narrow view of the space, some uses of geolocation and not others
[13:09:20]  … an approximation that we're trying to just locate a point, a simplifying assumption
[13:09:37]  … whether the assumption is valid depends on various factors
[13:10:03]  … locating a country or football stadium or something won't make it useful
[13:10:17]  … describes how we do geolocation in cellular scenarios, indoor location, etc.
[13:10:38]  … have to be cognizant of using this documented for unexpected uses
[13:11:12]  chair: are the objectors' objections resolved?
[13:11:15]  @@: haven't read it.
[13:11:39]  @@@: can we make 95% not an implicit value but an explicit one?
[13:12:01]  martin: we all agreed that it should be explicit. but what should you do when you don't know your confidence?
[13:13:00]  @@@@: don't choose a value that can be mistaken for an actual value
[13:13:41]  martin: I can send a proposal to the list to implement that
[13:14:06]  chair: anyone who feels it's not worth progressing? 
[13:14:18]  … next step would be WG last call
[13:14:31]  … and then we could even close the WG
[13:14:35]  … shortest chairmanship ever
[13:15:08]  @@@: re: closing the WG, there's a lot of focus on location right now
[13:15:32]  rbarnes: when the WG is shut down / charter is finished, can still keep the mailing list open and use it for interested discussion
[13:15:54]  … if we get actual work / new drafts, then we could talk about spinning up a new WG
[13:16:03]  … "geoprivbis"
[13:16:19]  chair: geonet bof and potentially being chartered
[13:17:03]  alex: co-leading with Melinda this geonet effort
[13:17:14]  … goal was to identify use cases and possible charter
[13:17:26]  … last night had a meeting with geopriv folks, some convergence and some divergence
[13:18:12]  … 2 main uses cases: send an IP packet to a particular geographic area
[13:18:55] npdoty missed the second use case
[13:19:15]  goods tracking (e.g., shipping company wants to track package)

[13:20:25]  alissa: tea for gonzalo
[13:20:56]  chair: heaviness of PIDF-LO structure
[13:21:06]  … which groups would be involved if we wanted something more compact?
[13:21:21]  martin: compact or usable
[13:21:52]  rbarnes: can fire the group back up if we come across some work
[13:25:59]  npdoty: is there anything we would need to do around location and the recent mozilla / deutsche?
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[13:27:17]  doug, richard, everyone in the room: no, nothing needed — about user specified location, not fuzzing
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