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[09:23:34] francesca has set the subject to: Gendispatch @ IETF106 - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/session/gendispatch
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[10:08:08] <Barry Leiba> Yo-ho-ho...
[10:08:23] <Barry Leiba> Hi, SM.
[10:08:40] <Barry Leiba> You're here in the long name and in the short, I see.
[10:08:47] <SM> Hi barry
[10:08:59] <SM> The long one is the Meetecho stuff
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[10:10:53] <Barry Leiba> John, I've sometimes wondered what the "C" stands for.  ?
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[10:11:11] <francesca> hi meetecho, we don't see the slides on the screen, all black
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[10:11:19] <Jonathan Lennox> Same in the room
[10:11:35] <Meetecho> francesca: you can try closing and reopening the chromebook
[10:11:42] <Meetecho> Apparently that fixes it most of the times
[10:11:44] <Jonathan Lennox> Chairs are not yet showing slides
[10:11:48] <Jonathan Lennox> Now they are
[10:11:51] <Meetecho> (y)
[10:11:59] <francesca> nevermind the cable was unplugged :D
[10:12:03] <John Klensin> @Barry: Yeah So do many others. :-)
[10:12:09] <Barry Leiba> Heh...
[10:12:25] <Barry Leiba> (That was to both Francesca and John)
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[10:12:43] <cm-msk@jabber.org> I am doing jabber scribing and relaying.
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[10:13:17] <Barry Leiba> I'll happily do the channeling so Murray can keep scribin'.
[10:13:30] <Barry Leiba> Prefix with "mic:" to be voiced.
[10:13:46] <cm-msk@jabber.org> slide: agenda bashing
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[10:15:05] <cm-msk@jabber.org> Pete discussing the general working group format.  This is an experiment in this area.
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[10:15:22] <cm-msk@jabber.org> Joel Halpern now presenting draft-halpern-gendispatch-consensusinformational
[10:19:15] <cm-msk@jabber.org> General support for this work from several people at the mic.
[10:20:27] <cm-msk@jabber.org> Ted Hardie proposes AD sponsorship.
[10:21:23] <cm-msk@jabber.org> John Klensin proposes making it clear what's required on each stream.
[10:22:52] <cm-msk@jabber.org> Alissa requests some feedback/details on the alternatives discussed at the mics be sent to the gendispatch list.
[10:25:20] <cm-msk@jabber.org> Pete updating on multiple remaining documents being discussed during an interim meeting and on the eligibility-discuss non-WG list: draft-moonesamy-recall-rev, draft-rescorla-istar-recall
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[10:30:47] <cm-msk@jabber.org> Discussion of top-level takeaways from virtual meeting
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[10:35:49] <Michael Toomim> As a virtual participant; I was sick this year. I got the flu. I could not fly to Singapore. I am grateful for the virtual participation.
[10:36:45] <Michael Toomim> mic: ^^^
[10:41:31] <cm-msk@jabber.org> Ted discussing a BoF for this work and how it might be run.
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[10:46:50] <John Klensin> So, charge remote participants.   Some of us have suggested that an appropriately-scaled charge would be desirable for many reasons
[10:47:57] <"Let the healing begin!"> I don't think I said Vancouver for the BoF, just as a point of clarification.
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[10:53:23] <Jeffrey Yasskin> John Klensin: I don't have a lot of standing, but I'm uncomfortable making ability-to-pay the measure of membership in a technical community.
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[10:59:54] <"Let the healing begin!"> What font is that?
[11:01:02] <John Klensin> @Jeffery: I completely agree.  I think we need better criteria.  I just think that things that sound  like  "remote participants don't pay and are therefore second-class citizens" just takes us down a very bad path.
[11:01:26] <cm-msk@jabber.org> "Thomson Freehand"
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[11:03:05] <Yoshiro YONEYA> The font is perhaps this. https://www.dafont.com/shadows-into-light.font
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[11:05:05] <cm-msk@jabber.org> (delayed) Martin Thomson discussing what the process would be for a change like the one(s) we've been discussing.
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[11:06:39] <"Let the healing begin!"> @Yoneya-san  Thanks for the pointer!
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[11:08:16] <cm-msk@jabber.org> Lines closed; two minutes left
[11:09:32] <Pete Resnick> We've got you in the queue John.
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[11:10:51] <"Let the healing begin!"> Well, I disagree with Stephen on this, but the mic lines are closed.
[11:11:25] <sftcd> which thing do you disagree with?
[11:13:17] <"Let the healing begin!"> That all the streams need to do the same thing.  
[11:13:51] <sftcd> I don't think the "need" to do the same thing, but would be irritated if they did different things with I-Ds for no major benefit
[11:17:23] <sftcd> IMO if the stream managers are all ok with it just do it in the ietf
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[11:17:50] <John Klensin> Please talk to the RSE too, while we still have one.  This does affect the long-term role of the RFC Series
[11:18:17] <sftcd> sure
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[11:20:14] <sftcd> never made sense to me that the iab own the boilerplate fwiw
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[11:21:41] <cm-msk@jabber.org> phb in AOB: anti-trust needs to be addressed in the boilerplate
[11:21:54] <cm-msk@jabber.org> Pete routes discussion to gendispatch
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[11:22:14] <cm-msk@jabber.org> Adjourned.
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[11:22:42] <francesca> thank you all, and most of all minute takers :)
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