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[10:43:07] <pgm> I have an .htaccess setup so no one can get to the logs right now.
[10:43:11] <pgm> FWIW.
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[10:44:59] <hildjj> nod
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[10:45:29] <hildjj> see://wrk62.corp.jabber.com:6942
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[10:46:44] <resnick> thx pgm
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[11:33:00] <falk> (C)
[11:33:02] <hildjj> sure we're saying things...
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[11:33:12] <hildjj> not *interesting* things...
[11:33:41] <randy> all I see in Jabber is people coming and going -- an interesting display of presence, perhaps....
[11:34:36] <hildjj> Medium-strength identity
[11:34:59] <stpeter> medium-strength identity -- interesting concept
[11:35:01] <hildjj> De-couple ID from routing
[11:35:37] <hildjj> non-Internet-style addressing?
[11:38:53] <randy> strength of identity at different points
[11:39:11] <randy> (e.g., identity may or may not weaken as message progresses)
[11:40:22] <hildjj> And now we're squarely in the Liberty Alliance space...
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[11:52:21] <leslie> Speaking of Liberty... anyone here really up to speed on LAP tech?
[11:53:54] <hildjj> leslie: not enough. we should have invited Bryan Field-Elliot from PingID.
[11:53:55] <falk> objects?
[11:54:01] <hildjj> "byte bags"
[11:54:39] <falk> "bunches of stuff"
[11:59:10] <fluffy> Summary so far, when trying to define the future, it's easy not to be productive.
[11:59:20] <leslie> re. "are blogs messages".... maybe they are not. but syndication of blogs are?
[12:00:02] <SAH> maybe there's a producer-consumer aspect to what defines a message.
[12:00:42] <leg> a web bboard? the messages don't go anywhere, but they're certainly part of a conversation whether or not it's syndicated.
[12:01:28] <SAH> that's sort of what I was getting at. Not real time, but "communication" nonetheless.
[12:05:57] <leslie> I guess a webboard has a more targeted audience than a blog... but I begin to see the issue.
[12:07:19] <hildjj> Leslie says: "I may not be a human"
[12:11:36] <hildjj> (I think that's network lag, not server lag)
[12:11:50] <Russ> I agree with Lisa's point, but I worry about the term "sender intent." We get into trouble when we use words that are also used by the legal prefession. We have been arguing over "non-repudiation" for this reason for many years. ITU-T changed their standard to adoid the term in the hope of making that argument stop. I doubt it will work ...
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[12:12:53] <leslie> This is where we really should leverage (or at least review) some of the liberty work.
[12:13:08] <pgm> hildjj: zues load has kicked up... it's like 2.5
[12:13:17] <pgm> lag seems ok tho.
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[12:18:39] <hildjj> pgm: we're on a *really* bad network here.
[12:18:56] <hildjj> (at least this far down the table...)
[12:19:49] <falk> rather than msgs I'm sending "quelques choses" (some things)
[12:22:03] <hildjj> Do we need NAPTR for "protocol personas"?
[12:22:27] <hildjj> from the "universal id" to a particular protocol...
[12:22:45] * leslie rustles through her archive of papers to pull up *that* series of ramblings...
[12:23:11] <leslie> NAPTR isn't really the right level of granularity.
[12:23:26] <hildjj> nod. i should have said "NAPTR-like"
[12:23:27] <leslie> You might use NAPTR to find a service that could do the right level of negotiation
[12:23:35] <hildjj> i meant it as a metaphor.
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[13:37:07] <lisa> "there are no mass people"
[13:37:11] <lisa> does that mean there are people whose mass is zero?
[13:37:18] <jon> heh
[13:38:38] <klensin-ietf> It means that the product of the number of them who are "people", multiplied by the weight they can bring to the question is zero :-(
[13:38:51] <lisa> hah!
[13:41:37] <klensin-ietf> Seriously, while the mandate Jeff & I have gotten from various ADs is "make charter", I think the other goal of that BoF is to make a stronger guess as to whether those interested are also able and willing to play well with other children, at test that the MARID effort failed. If the answer is "not", then, IMO, there is no point in forming a WG
[13:42:04] <jon> i think there is hope to get a charter for mass
[13:42:12] <jon> though it will take work in the meeting
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[15:32:47] <falk> from the Blue Sky room: "where" is the new "how"
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