[00:00:25] Marc Linsner at the microphone. [00:01:25] Jon Peterson of NeuStar, Inc. at the microphone. [00:01:26] Jon Peterson of NeuStar, Inc. at the microphone. [00:01:28] Jon Peterson of NeuStar, Inc. at the microphone. [00:01:29] Jon Peterson of NeuStar, Inc. at the microphone. [00:01:30] Jon Peterson of NeuStar, Inc. at the microphone. [00:01:31] Jon Peterson of NeuStar, Inc. at the microphone. [00:02:01] Ted Hardie, Qualcomm at the microphone. [00:03:36] Keith Drage at the microphone. [00:03:40] what is exactly is bein debated? [00:03:56] design team for the interim architectures [00:04:04] The audio is really messy [00:04:15] the one that would allow for a VSP (or third party) requesting location information from an ISP [00:04:30] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [00:05:11] Bernard Aboba [00:05:12] The reality is that these architectures are being deployed now [00:06:07] J. Polk of Cisco Systems at the microphone. [00:06:21] These architectures are stop-gap solutions [00:06:33] They are being deployed in Canada and the UK [00:06:45] Why does the IETF need to go and deine them too? [00:06:50] define [00:07:19] Jon Peterson of NeuStar, Inc. at the microphone. [00:07:26] Jon Peterson of NeuStar, Inc. at the microphone. [00:07:27] Jon Peterson of NeuStar, Inc. at the microphone. [00:08:00] Roger Marshall at the microphone. [00:08:01] Roger Marshall at the microphone. [00:08:11] Roger Marshall at the microphone. [00:11:05] esgw slide [00:11:36] Hannes in a tie [00:12:52] Line has gone very quiet [00:13:05] Brian rosen is talking [00:13:08] Do you hear him? [00:13:20] Yes.. I hear again now [00:13:23] cool [00:13:24] Thanks Ted [00:14:05] Ted Hardie, Qualcomm at the microphone. [00:15:03] Keith Drage at the microphone. [00:15:40] Hannes Tschofenig of Nokia Siemens Networks at the microphone. [00:15:42] Hannes Tschofenig of Nokia Siemens Networks at the microphone. [00:15:43] Hannes Tschofenig of Nokia Siemens Networks at the microphone. [00:15:44] Hannes Tschofenig of Nokia Siemens Networks at the microphone. [00:17:13] Ted Hardie, Qualcomm at the microphone. [00:19:31] Gabor is currently at the microphone [00:19:44] kumikono leaves the room [00:19:46] I agree with Brian [00:20:17] on which thing, kastaspella? [00:20:27] The not including SUPL thing [00:20:48] LLDP is the one he mentioned, though the email has discussed SUPL as well [00:21:23] Okay maybe I misheard... the audio is kind of flakey [00:21:38] It's the same issue, I believe [00:21:54] milan leaves the room [00:21:55] though the deployments of LLDP and SUPL are distinct [00:22:56] kumikono joins the room [00:25:04] Steve Norreys at the microphone. [00:28:38] Martin Thomson at the microphone. [00:30:07] Ted Hardie, Qualcomm at the microphone. [00:31:49] ted: woot [00:32:07] Roger Marshall at the microphone. [00:32:17] Roger Marshall at the microphone. [00:32:18] Richard Barnes at the microphone. [00:32:29] Can you please type what the proposed change is? [00:32:46] MUST for HELD+DHCP, MAY for others, including LLDP+SUPL [00:34:32] J. Polk of Cisco Systems at the microphone. [00:34:33] J. Polk of Cisco Systems at the microphone. [00:34:58] Gone quiet again [00:35:26] James is talking about the IETF model of when we keep work and when drop it. [00:35:40] Okay thanks [00:35:49] The issue is deployment; he is saying that LLDP is in their product roadmap [00:36:12] Brian Rosen notes that there are several others large telephony vendors for this. [00:36:40] RBarnes @mic [00:36:48] Richard Barnes finds that these are puzzling arguments. [00:37:16] There are nodes which can never use LLDP--why should they have LLDP code? [00:37:44] In a device that does no 802, this is just wierd. (Bernard Aboba talking) [00:38:33] Yes.. remove it [00:38:41] J. Polk of Cisco Systems at the microphone. [00:38:45] So you can hear again? [00:38:51] nope [00:39:14] is LLDP to be moved from the MUST's to the MAY's [00:39:28] yes.. it MAY be used [00:39:35] Bernard is proposing "state the domain of applicability" [00:39:53] Richard Barnes at the microphone. [00:40:15] J. Polk of Cisco Systems at the microphone. [00:40:20] J. Polk of Cisco Systems at the microphone. [00:41:23] When this issue is solved can Phone BCP go to LC? [00:41:29] J. Polk of Cisco Systems at the microphone. [00:41:30] J. Polk of Cisco Systems at the microphone. [00:41:31] J. Polk of Cisco Systems at the microphone. [00:41:44] There is a rev coming for all this. WGLC potentially after that. [00:42:01] kk.. thanks [00:42:28] Is Peter Blatherwick in the room? [00:42:43] He was one of the key people requesting the inclusion of LLDP-MED [00:42:48] Martin Thomson at the microphone. [00:42:49] Martin Thomson at the microphone. [00:43:42] No, I don't think he is. [00:45:16] Roger Marshall at the microphone. [00:45:22] Roger Marshall at the microphone. [00:45:24] Roger Marshall at the microphone. [00:45:35] Roger Marshall at the microphone. [00:45:54] Can we have the clearly stated in type first please [00:46:40] The first is: make the wording:endpoints must implement both HELD and DHCP and if they are an 802 connected wired device it MUST implement LLDP [00:46:55] a network MUST implement one of those options [00:47:09] the section is : devices MUST implement both HELD and DHCP (LLDP is a may) [00:47:26] Option 2 [00:47:40] hum was almost even. [00:47:50] no concensus [00:47:53] OPTION 2!... ;) [00:48:12] will be taken to the list. [00:48:32] Oh well! [00:49:08] draft: emergency call marking: patel-ecrit-sos-parameter [00:49:59] Hannes at mic [00:52:25] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [00:52:31] schulzrinne joins the room [00:52:50] Hannes Tschofenig of Nokia Siemens Networks at the microphone. [00:52:57] Hannes Tschofenig of Nokia Siemens Networks at the microphone. [00:53:31] Brian agrees with Hannes [00:53:31] Ted Hardie, Qualcomm at the microphone. [00:53:33] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [00:53:40] The audio quality on the bridge is pretty horrible. [00:53:53] ray joins the room [00:54:33] John Elwell of Siemens Enterprise Communications at the microphone. [00:55:59] Hannes Tschofenig of Nokia Siemens Networks at the microphone. [00:56:04] Hannes Tschofenig of Nokia Siemens Networks at the microphone. [00:56:13] Hannes Tschofenig of Nokia Siemens Networks at the microphone. [00:56:56] Can I queue (from the bridge)? (not sure that audio is going to work) [00:58:14] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [00:58:15] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [00:58:16] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [00:58:17] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [00:58:18] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [00:58:35] Henning: OK, I told Hannes. [00:59:07] kastaspella@gmail.com/Meebo leaves the room [00:59:31] Henning? [00:59:49] If you would prefer a relay, someone can get up at the mic for you [01:03:30] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [01:05:42] I don't agree that we should be browbeaten by "urgency" in accepting a solution as a basis. I have no objection to having a requirements draft. [01:05:50] Ted Hardie, Qualcomm at the microphone. [01:06:48] Martin Thomson at the microphone. [01:09:57] hum passed to focus on req 1 and take the document on [01:09:59] hum was in favour, [01:10:47] solution is tentative, alternatives will be considered as they come up [01:11:05] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [01:11:07] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [01:11:08] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [01:12:09] Jim leaves the room [01:12:28] schulzrinne leaves the room: Disconnected. [01:12:49] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [01:12:50] Brian Rosen at the microphone. [01:15:08] Marc Linsner at the microphone. [01:15:09] Marc Linsner at the microphone. [01:15:23] Marc Linsner at the microphone. [01:16:56] schulzrinne joins the room [01:17:02] Ted Hardie, Qualcomm at the microphone. [01:17:33] ray leaves the room [01:19:45] Keith Drage at the microphone. [01:20:21] gcaron joins the room [01:20:44] gcaron leaves the room [01:22:33] Martin Thomson at the microphone. [01:22:36] Martin Thomson at the microphone. [01:22:39] Martin Thomson at the microphone. [01:25:11] Ted Hardie, Qualcomm at the microphone. [01:26:57] Richard Barnes at the microphone. [01:27:09] Richard Barnes at the microphone. [01:27:37] Keith Drage at the microphone. [01:27:52] What was the comment about congestion someone just made? [01:28:10] richard.barnes leaves the room [01:28:32] Andrew Allen mentioned that in congestion conditions, keeping the session up gives you a better chance of maintaining contact, opening a new session is harder [01:28:33] John Elwell of Siemens Enterprise Communications at the microphone. [01:29:15] Ted Hardie, Qualcomm at the microphone. [01:30:58] kumikono leaves the room [01:31:17] Agree with Ted - you can easily confirm "do you really want to disconnect?" [01:33:10] ted_qualcomm leaves the room: Disconnected. [01:33:47] Simo Veikkolainen leaves the room [01:33:47] drmongrain leaves the room [01:33:58] Alex leaves the room [01:34:04] schulzrinne leaves the room: Disconnected. [01:34:13] it's all over folks, Hannes wants to take pictures of us [01:34:15] run [01:34:18] IETF Announcer leaves the room [01:34:28] martin.thomson leaves the room [01:34:59] ysuzuki leaves the room [01:35:05] Randall Gellens leaves the room [01:37:11] spencerdawkins leaves the room [01:42:14] mlepinski leaves the room