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(couldn't copy text) [21:52:01] Other issues in Downgrade [21:52:13] -> To be taken to the list [21:52:20] Chris is speaking [21:52:32] 健康: I always speak very loudly. :-) [21:53:20] Randy is speaking [21:54:53] resnick, you speak very clear. your typing is already internationalized [21:58:37] joseph.yee joins the room [21:58:41] hello everyone [22:02:02] jpcerezo leaves the room: offline [22:02:03] resnick leaves the room [22:03:15] Barry is speaking [22:04:25] resnick joins the room [22:04:43] support to add MDN headers [22:05:06] since MDN response discussed in DSN doc [22:06:08] Alexey is speaking [22:06:26] Joseph, are you here in the room? [22:06:30] I am [22:06:42] :) [22:06:44] OK [22:06:44] hi Pete [22:06:55] I don't see you. [22:06:56] takes me while to find the right jabber client [22:07:07] Oh, I mean, are you here in Minneapolis? [22:07:11] I mean in chatroom :p [22:07:29] Do you need anything said at the microphone about MDN? [22:07:30] no, not here physically [22:07:41] Adding more headers - Auto-submitted? [22:07:44] just want to say add all MDN header [22:08:03] because MDN responses discussed in DSN RFC already [22:08:16] Resolution: add 6 more headers to list, 3 with comment downgrading, to to other lists, and Original-Recipient with (new) ORCPT downgrading [22:08:27] stephen.morris joins the room [22:08:33] s/to to/2 to/ [22:08:38] to add all MDN headers in downgrade [22:09:01] DIsposition-Notification-To is in there according to Chris. [22:09:28] Are you listening to the audio feed, Joseph? [22:09:39] but only the response body, the headers were not discussed anywhere, support to add it into downgrade rfc [22:09:57] but if it takes downgrade to last call too long, I don't mind wait [22:10:01] I am [22:10:39] stephen.morris leaves the room [22:10:40] Chris has suggested putting it in. It will go in. [22:10:41] Chris Newman joins the room [22:10:45] Rest of comments to be taken to the list: editorial comments will be inegrated by editor. [22:11:05] cool, just hope to make it complete :) thanks [22:12:15] Next agenda item: downgrade-display [22:12:43] very few people read downgrade-display document [22:13:02] how many hands? just curious... [22:13:21] 3 may be :-( [22:14:23] Barry is speakng [22:14:36] John is speaking [22:17:51] Chairs suggestion: need more text on security consideration [22:17:54] Pete is speaking [22:19:35] Next agenda item: eai-deployment [22:19:39] Comment was: this is a useful piece of work, but I'd rather see it as a description of part of the experiment, with more introduction, more text, some discussion of tradeoffs among the options, discussion of additional options if the WG can identify them, etc. Not clear whether it should then be left as an I-D (ideally revised and improved regularly as experience accumulates) or processed as an RFC, especially since it is not in-charter. [22:20:03] thanks [22:20:06] any comments about EAI Deployment Practices of draft-yao-eai-deployment-00.txt [22:20:26] John is speaking [22:21:32] thanks john's comments [22:22:57] pete: could you help me ask : can I move this draft forward as the WG's document or indiviual or informational rfc or experimental rfc? thanks. [22:23:19] yao you may want to expand 2.3 - Receiving server - to Delivery Server and Access Server (IMAP/POP) [22:23:58] now discussing combining two documents (eai-deployment and eai-email-clients) into one or not [22:24:08] Yao: That is what we are discussing. I think the answer is it needs more deployment experience added to it before moving forward. [22:24:22] ok, thanks [22:24:39] John is speaking [22:25:26] prussell-nd leaves the room [22:25:32] prussell-nd joins the room [22:25:37] Suggestion is for the editors to think about combing draft-yao-eai-deployment and draft-dainow-eai-email-clients. [22:26:01] resnic, thanks [22:26:31] Next agenda item: IMAP [22:26:38] Pete is speaking [22:26:59] Chris Newman leaves the room [22:27:27] Chris Newman joins the room [22:28:13] Alexey is speaking [22:28:42] Barry is speaking [22:28:48] AM I mixing with tag keywords? [22:29:05] base on Alexey's keyword not appearing to user coment [22:29:09] if so, ascii is fine [22:30:34] cyrus joins the room [22:31:26] not IMAP tags but message keywords [22:31:58] some servers allow clients to create their own keywords, which are like flags but are client-defined [22:32:06] e.g., $FOO [22:32:25] yup, should stay ASCII, thanks for the clarification [22:32:26] sm leaves the room [22:36:35] Next agenda item: new charter [22:39:00] Draft will consist of "put on standards track" [22:39:07] List of documents TBD [22:39:19] T0: Publish 1st revs of drafts [22:39:30] T1: Publish 1st revs of experiment evaluation [22:39:46] T2: Ship docs to IESG for standard-track [22:44:38] klensin leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [22:44:39] should we start thinking other approaches then? [22:45:01] klensin joins the room [22:45:01] Other approaches besides downgrade or bounce? [22:45:23] other approaches for "backward compatible" [22:46:37] Do you want this relayed at mike? [22:46:38] I don't know if there are other options beyond downgrade... [22:47:13] I think we can discuss it thru mailing list... [22:47:25] thanks Randall... [22:48:21] AOB? [22:48:32] Chris Newman leaves the room [22:48:35] WG meeting is over :-) [22:48:35] KIM Kyongsok leaves the room [22:48:36] As far as I know, it is either downgrade or bounce, although one could speculate on an "ask someone about alternate addresses" service that a sending MUA (or MSA) could use after it got a bounce. [22:48:41] cyrus leaves the room [22:48:54] klensin leaves the room [22:49:05] thank you [22:49:12] huguei leaves the room [22:49:24] ludovic.poitou leaves the room [22:50:05] yone leaves the room [22:50:06] thanks yone [22:50:10] ah too late.... 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