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[11:28:41] <Dowon Kim> Hello
[11:28:54] <Dowon Kim> Anyone there?
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[12:05:36] <xiaodong> agenda bashing
[12:05:42] <xiaodong> pass
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[12:06:01] <xiaodong> status of core documents
[12:06:33] <xiaodong> three core docs, refer to each other, LC together
[12:07:04] <xiaodong> outstanding issues discussed
[12:07:31] <xiaodong> pete on the mic
[12:08:15] <xiaodong> refer to 2822
[12:08:42] <yangwoo> 2822-bis
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[12:11:38] <xiaodong> chris@mic
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[12:13:17] <xiaodong> normative refer to 2822 in text, state in text that 2822bis is preferable
[12:14:47] <xiaodong> klensin@mic
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[12:28:10] <healthyao> core documents will be sent to iesg after some updatings
[12:28:24] <healthyao> now downgrade document
[12:28:56] <healthyao> #1496 simple downgrade procedure
[12:29:55] <healthyao> harald: anyone want to talk about downgrade issues?
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[12:30:49] <healthyao> chris: I wish that this downgrade document has been implemented
[12:32:51] <healthyao> Randall Gellens: downgrade documents may need some reconstructions
[12:34:00] <healthyao> breaking out appendix A in seperate doc: 2:0
[12:34:17] <healthyao> will return to the mailinglist
[12:35:02] <healthyao> after some reviews from implementors, downgrade documents will go to WG last call
[12:35:44] <healthyao> hope to have downgrade documents WG last call before christams holiday
[12:36:05] <healthyao> now, move to discussion about imap and pop
[12:39:40] <healthyao> Randall Gellens: mailstore maybe utf-8 or ascii, the client can ask for utf-8 or ascii
[12:43:11] <healthyao> Randall Gellens: for sanity, requesting utf8 on an ascii mail store returns the raw form; server does not promise to upconvert
[12:43:53] <healthyao> Randall Gellens: as EAI becomes widely deployed, 2047 encodings and downgrading messages stop being used
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[12:50:31] <Randy> IMAP and POP: I present status and also proposal that servers not be required to upconvert. Chris believes that it is more reasonable for servers to have wide charset translations. Mark says that some clients want the 2047-encoded forms, and that servers should be permitted to upconvert, not required; John says that sending funny charsets and requiring conversion means there needs to be a many-to-many universal converter, and this is impossible. Interoperability is best if there is a single format.
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[12:53:49] <xiaodong> I even think no more conversion on server
[12:56:02] <Randy> Also, upconversion breaks signatures on messages that are sent normally (2822), while downconversion is an exception and hence expected to break signatures.
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[12:59:04] <healthyao> Peter: IMAP now uses ENABLE
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[13:06:02] <Barry Leiba> Randy is in Mad Metaphor Mode this morning.
[13:06:16] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> for those of us in other rooms, are there madlib highlights?
[13:06:41] <healthyao> Randall Gellens: now pop documents, since july, no big changes to this documents
[13:07:03] <Barry Leiba> UTF8 IMAP is like the mad scientist in old horror movies, throwing a big knife-switch and getting all UTF8, no going back.
[13:07:05] <Barry Leiba> Like that.
[13:07:15] <hardie@jabber.psg.com> nice
[13:07:26] <Barry Leiba> (That was a mad simile, I guess, but that's not alliterative.)
[13:13:08] <Randy> I had two analogies, take your pick: the mad-scientist knife switch, or the switch from black and white to color in Wizard of Oz
[13:14:00] <xiaodong> this meeting prefer mode switch
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[13:16:36] <healthyao> now moving to any other business
[13:19:52] <Randy> John Klensin: IRIs are seriously broken. He has a draft which will be out by Christmas. He cautions against putting mailto into an IRI form.
[13:29:40] <yone> Session audio seems dead :-(
[13:30:10] <healthyao> there seems no audio at all
[13:30:25] <yangwoo> Harald is summarizing the discussion.
[13:30:42] <healthyao> so you'd better come to join the live ietf discussion
[13:30:42] <yone> thanks friends
[13:31:13] <yangwoo> Expired scenario document will be revised.
[13:31:50] <yangwoo> Framework document will be updated to include appendix A of utf8header(?).
[13:33:05] <frank> s/to include/by/ (guessing)
[13:34:25] <yangwoo> Scheduling:
[13:34:33] <yangwoo> * December: Core docs to IESG
[13:34:45] <yangwoo> * January; Downgrade doc to IESG
[13:35:12] <yangwoo> Spring IETF: POP/IMAP doc , others and interop test.
[13:35:25] <yangwoo> Summer IETF: no meeting or iterop ?
[13:35:41] <yangwoo> Dec 2008: Meet to put on standards track.
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[13:37:35] <yone> over?
[13:38:22] <yangwoo> yes
[13:38:24] <yangwoo> over
[13:38:30] <yangwoo> Sorry for you waiting.
[13:38:31] <yangwoo> :-)
[13:38:46] <yone> thanks for scribing
[13:38:53] <frank> +1
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