[10:50:53] sftcd joins the room [10:51:29] Afternoon folks, DTNRG meeting starts in about 10 mins [10:57:08] loiseau.lucien joins the room [10:59:12] Kevin Fall joins the room [10:59:36] hello [10:59:46] hi [10:59:54] we just getting started [11:01:42] working on some technical problems with the projector [11:02:09] avri joins the room [11:03:14] Andrew joins the room [11:03:20] is the audio working? (videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf785.m3u) [11:03:24] Andrew leaves the room [11:03:47] Andrew Sullivan joins the room [11:04:20] velt joins the room [11:04:22] agendaa review [11:04:24] yes, i can hear the audio [11:04:24] agenda review [11:04:28] ok, great [11:04:49] Simon Perreault joins the room [11:06:00] doc status: 5 RFCs published; 5 drafts done with IRSG review; there is new ID on IANA registries; ~24 drafts in various states [11:08:02] Aaron Falk discussing state of drafts -- he's next expecting 'request to publish' that points to the various comments, etc [11:08:09] (token is with us, the RG) [11:08:56] ready for IRSG poll: sdnv, bundle meta block, cbhe, bundle security, prophet [11:09:37] bundle security to be experimental [11:10:11] will be discussing Prophet in a few mins [11:10:25] yes listening [11:16:47] i meant that if it orphaned i am ready [11:17:35] of course if others are doing it, i am fine remaining one of the non editing coauthors. [11:17:42] aaron joins the room [11:18:01] it = uri draft [11:20:17] discussion of where convergence layers [11:20:32] Anders Lindgren joins the room [11:26:36] Bernie joins the room [11:28:55] ping? [11:29:13] y [11:29:16] ack [11:29:18] pong [11:29:28] yep [11:29:31] oui [11:29:40] gorryf joins the room [11:29:48] Is there anyone other than Avri not present in the meeting room? [11:30:00] ('cause you can go the mic yourself) [11:30:01] and we never came to agreement on it. dead? not dead? [11:30:10] Which one? [11:30:26] not until we resolve the folding in issues is it dead? uri-find [11:31:00] but until the rolling has happend it aint dead. [11:31:01] (I'm not in the meeting room, but here) [11:31:05] loiseau.lucien leaves the room [11:31:36] yes untilt he discussion hapens it is not dead. [11:32:15] loiseau.lucien joins the room [11:36:06] Kevin Fall leaves the room [11:39:49] Kevin Fall joins the room [11:45:55] gorryf leaves the room [11:49:54] is anyone else having problems with the audio stream? I lose the audio for 10 seconds or so every 2-3 minutes... [11:50:10] Not sure if the problem is on my side or in .nl [11:53:38] gorryf joins the room [11:54:57] i had that problem yesterday on another meeting, but today, so far, it is fine for me. [11:56:13] Will Ivancic joins the room [11:56:49] I am listening remotely for now. Will (In Cleveland, OH USA)) [11:59:13] we did discuss the split horizon. [11:59:27] but it wasn't a full solution. [11:59:50] but it was one of the first fixes we thought of. [12:01:13] Main problem is that since there is only a single number representing the DP, there is no way of knowing which part of that information comes from where. To know that would require to know the full history of DP exchanges, which would create incredible overhead... [12:01:27] Andews:for the mic? [12:01:35] Anders, even, sorry. [12:01:36] sure [12:07:30] mittagessen joins the room [12:08:00] mittagessen leaves the room [12:09:10] i.e ProPHET is meant for a scenario where the nodes, including data mules etc, behave in a self generated but patterned manner and where you can collect long term (relatively) history. why 25%. what percentage of the traffic do you expect to be random [12:09:23] Avri: for mic? [12:09:46] sure [12:11:38] i think you choose the value based on that prediction. thanks. that is what i meant. [12:16:16] shouldn't that be P(A,B)*P(B,C)*beta in the second part of the max() statement? [12:16:32] Anders: mic? [12:16:34] I think so [12:16:52] yes, just ask elwyn if that's a typo [12:18:18] So yes, this is a typo, but it's also in the draft [12:24:56] aaron leaves the room [12:28:31] aaron joins the room [12:29:37] aaron leaves the room [12:29:39] aaron joins the room [12:30:35] parameter have recommendation. for the most part paamters are settable according to the type of region the protocl is used in. [12:31:22] more experience will tell us which parameters work in which situation. [12:31:45] they are settable per region. [12:33:38] someone is writing android code, but they are working off the new version. [12:35:05] I think the mic was closed, sorry [12:35:19] y [12:36:33] are Jörg's slides available online? [12:36:40] I doubt it [12:36:46] i have not seen them. [12:36:50] He was writing them in the room [12:36:54] AFAIK [12:37:04] yes, they are on the tracker [12:37:04] ok [12:45:18] avri leaves the room [12:46:08] avri joins the room [12:46:10] aaron leaves the room [12:46:17] aaron joins the room [12:52:38] avri leaves the room [12:53:33] avri joins the room [12:55:32] what presentation are we on? Slides? [12:56:04] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/78/materials.html#wg-DTNRG [12:56:22] slide 6 [12:56:29] (virtual telco view) [12:56:32] Got it. Thanks [12:58:56] Delay Tolerant is probably not the best term. Really, the goal is standardized store-and-forward. Disconnection and reconnection. [12:59:31] Will: for mic? [12:59:55] aaron leaves the room [12:59:55] aaron joins the room [13:01:13] No necessary [13:01:18] Just a comment [13:01:22] ok [13:02:03] aaron leaves the room [13:02:04] aaron joins the room [13:03:09] Delay come from the space side. I've heard that disconnection is just a form of delay, but IMHO, that does not reverberate with terrestrial users / market. [13:03:49] Delay is really a function of the convergence layer. The marketable product is store-and-forward (disconnection). [13:04:21] Really much can be solved with publish subscribe and DTN makes publish subscribe work a little better in certain environments. [13:05:47] Delay didn't come from the 'space side' [13:07:17] OK [13:08:28] Delay doesn't have to be a function of the CL. There are other reasons you may wish to delay your communication (e.g., power conservation, route selection, LPI/LPD...) [13:09:55] No argument. regarding that comment. [13:10:44] Would you agree that propagation delay is related to convergence layer? [13:11:53] gorryf leaves the room [13:12:24] from a DTN (or networking) perspective, yes [13:12:43] woolf joins the room [13:12:46] If I put on more of a physics hat, I'd say it relates more to the medium.... for example, the underwater people have an interesting media [13:13:07] woolf leaves the room [13:18:23] Andrew Sullivan leaves the room [13:19:13] Bernie leaves the room [13:19:19] velt leaves the room [13:19:27] Beijing in not good for NASA. Foreign travel to China is a difficult sell for US Govt. [13:19:48] I should be able to participate remotely. [13:20:18] simon.perreault joins the room [13:20:36] ah [13:21:26] Kevin Fall leaves the room [13:21:51] Simon Perreault leaves the room [13:22:30] I hope to make Quebec. 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